December 9th, 2001, 04:48 AM #1
Need Advice on Video Editing Setup
I need to know what people suggest for a REAL-TIME DV Capable editing card that can publish to VHS via S-Video (hopefully)
I have looked at the:
Matrox RT 2500
I think it would probably be a choice between the two, so throw me some suggestions... even if it is another card you recommend...
I have briefly noticed the Pinnacle Pro-One but not sure what that is...
Last edited by FreakyOCR; December 9th, 2001 at 04:50 AM.
December 9th, 2001, 04:58 AM #2
According to Pinnacle's site, the Pro-One looks like a REALLY good card. Biased, albiet, but multiple real time 3d effects? Like having two live streams and an image int he background, then fading them??? YIKES!!!! Scary COOL!
And here is Matrox's rebuttal:
Who am I to believe??? I know that Matrox is used at some TV studios....
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December 9th, 2001, 07:14 AM #3
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Like Rob says- if you've got the bucks consider a striped RAID array to help speed things up. You can get a Promise RAID controller for around $50. Note that those rendering times I quoted you are for a system with a 1.4GHz T-Bird, 512Mb PC2100 CAS2 DDR RAM, AND a pair of 40GB Maxtor UATA100 hard drives on a RAID 0 striped array. So use those numbers as a sort of benchmark- faster components may speed things up a bit, lesser components will slow things down.
Plan on HUGE amounts of storage space- in addition to the 80GB RAID drives, I also have an internal IDE 40GB ATA100 Quantum Fireball, as well as an external Firewire 60GB IBM Deskstar. Even with all this space, I get crowded occasionally.
As far as the S-Video VHS mastering, the DV500+ does come with a breakout box for connecting video, etc. but I've never used it and don't know if it supports S-Video or not. The Pinnacle website should be able to provide that info.
Yeah, I'm also too darned lazy to hunt down the owners manual!
As for difficulty in setting the card up, I can't say I've had any problems at all so far. If I had, I certainly wouldn't recommend it! However, you know computers and hardware- what works good for me may nuke your machine and vice-versa.
One thing to keep in mind however- when I got mine (about 8-months ago) the onboard firewire was not WHQL certified, so it didn't support my external drive. This may have changed by now, I don't know. I simply purchased a Pyro DV Basic card for $35 and that cured all my firewire needs, again leaving the DV card to do what it does best-DV editing.
Research whatever you buy carefully to make sure you get what you need. Stay away from the usual "consumer" type software packages usually bundled with lesser DV cards. The features are usually lacking, and in some cases, the software won't even run. Premiere is expensive, but ultimately worth it.
December 9th, 2001, 02:20 PM #4
HMMM I know about the storage requirement....
DVStorm is NOT an option. It is WAY TO EXPENSIVE.
Those are my main choices.... Pro-One is looking pretty good....
December 12th, 2001, 03:17 AM #5
A guy offered me his DV500+ for $200 so that's what I'm gonna do!!!
Now, what HD's and raid controller do you recommend (and/or have working with your DV500+)
I just sold my Abit KT7A-RAID and now am wishing I did not....
December 12th, 2001, 04:04 AM #6
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Way cool! 200 bucks!
Why couldn't I get a deal like that!
As for the RAID controller & drives, I have a Soyo DRAGON mobo with onboard Promise RAID. I run two 40Gb Maxtor 7200rpm ATA100 drives on a striped (0) array, and so far it has all worked flawlessly.
Since you no longer have onboard RAID, you'll have to go PCI. I have several friends who use Promise PCI RAID cards and they all swear by them, plus they are fairly inexpensive.
HDD choice is yours- but I personally favor Maxtor, Quantum, and Seagate. The bigger the better!
I dropped Western-Digital a while back due to getting several new drives with "The Click of Death." (For more info, see the W-D website forums...)
Nothing sux more when building a new machine than a brand new drive failing right out of the box. Several times.
December 12th, 2001, 04:17 AM #7
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Suggestions for best performance....
-IDE RAID Controller: Promise FastTrak ATA/100 TX4
-Drive: 4 x any 7200rpm w/ 2mb of cache, preferably Maxtor or IBM
You could opt for the TX2 if you only want to RAID two drives.
I personally use a modifiied FastTrak 66 (formerly Ultra/66) with 2 10GB Maxtor 7200 rpm drives. Works great in a RAID 0 config for my capture needs (usually 640x480x30fps MJPEG).
December 12th, 2001, 04:26 AM #8
I personally can't recommend Pinnacle products. I've never been able to get one working on a satisfactory level, Pinnacle's software/drivers always crash fairly often for me. I spent most of yesterday fighting with a DV500 and a DV300 in the end of which I couldn't get either of them to work in any one of three different systems. Tech support didn't offer much help because I don't have a "recommended motherboard". A lot of other people seem to have good success with their products though.*shrug* maybe I've just had some bad luck.
December 12th, 2001, 04:28 AM #9
You think I need FOUR hard drives??? (2 arrays?)
Hmm I think I will go maxtor simply becuase rpm doesn't matter. (Does it?)
I have an Ultra 100 TX2, maybe I could mod it???
December 12th, 2001, 04:42 AM #10
Ok here's the deal. He said I can have it IF it works in my setup. No work, no pay. Simple and risk-free.
December 12th, 2001, 04:50 AM #11
If I sell my EPoX, I can pick up the Soyo for less than the price of adding a raid card....
December 12th, 2001, 02:22 PM #12
So, is it important to have 7200rpm drives???? Isn't it just the thouroughput that is important?
Also it would decrease performance if I put two drives on one cable and raided them, no?
And do you think I shoudl upgrade my CPU to an XP 1600+???
December 12th, 2001, 04:08 PM #13
December 12th, 2001, 04:40 PM #14
We have a DV-500 based system at work & the darn thing crashes all the time under Win2k However I haven't really had time to fix it so it could be something simple.
Here in the UK for the price of 4 IDE HD's running as a RAID 0 array you could get a good SCSI card & a 10K rpm 18 gig drive (just another option ).
EddyI dreamt that a large eagle circled the room three times and then got into bed with me and took all the blankets.
December 12th, 2001, 04:44 PM #15
Thanks Eddy, 18 GB just isn't big enough though.....
And yeah, that's why he is getting rid of it, they could never get it to stop crashing.
December 12th, 2001, 05:34 PM #16
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Maybe I've just been lucky, but under Win 98SE and Win 2000 I never had any crashing problems. The only thing that I ever had grief with (as I mentioned in a previous post) was the Firewire ports not being WHQL certified. Fought that puppy for a week trying to get it to see an external firewire drive before I figured that one out. Duh. Sometimes it's the little things that get us...
Although throughput rate is important, seek time and drive rpm are also important. RPM will have an impact on data access times in that the faster the drive spins, the quicker information is retrieved. Seek time will also come into play here as well.
According to the Promise literature that came with my Soyo board, a 2-drive striped RAID array will transfer data at about 2X the speed of the slowest drive on the array. A 4-drive setup will transfer at about 3X the speed of the slowest drive. So although there is a speed increase with a 4-drive system, it will not be double that of a 2-drive system. You would, however, have a tremendous amount of drive space if you used, say, 40Gb drives.
I recommend drives sporting 7200rpm, a minimum of 9ms seek times, and 2Mb buffers. The price difference between 5400 & 7200rpm drives is minimal, and if you're going to the expense of a RAID array and a special purpose DV card, why skimp on something as important as drives...
As for upgrading CPU's, what do you have now? If it's a 1GHz or less, maybe an upgrade is an option. If it's over 1.2GHz, I'd say look at RAM first, then a CPU. For Win 98 go for 512Mb CAS2 DDR, more for Win 2000.
December 12th, 2001, 05:53 PM #17
I have Win2k. TBird 1.1 and 768MB PC2100 DDR
So having 4 drives on two chains would result in a 3x speed increase?
But that's also 4x as risky, becuase if even ONE of them dies there goes everything.... I don't wanna trust IBM to that, LOL
December 12th, 2001, 07:44 PM #18
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Sounds like you've got RAM covered...
Although the 1100 T-Bird is no slouch, it might be that one of AMD's latest & greatest under the hood would prove to be a worthwhile upgrade. However, I'd put priority on drives at this point- 2 big ones (40-80GB each) for the RAID array, and maybe a couple of 7200rpm ATA100 IDE or Firewire storage drives.
After all the necessities are in place, THEN I'd look at a CPU upgrade. Of course, this is just an opinion...
I hear you on the striped 4-drive setup, lose one lose it all. Mirroring 4-drives is one thing, but striping them... I'll pass. Maybe I'm just getting too conservative in my old age.
Sounds like you're on the road to a KILLER system...
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