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Thread: Windows server Vs. Linux server
October 24th, 2004, 10:42 AM #21would I have to get 100+ licenses for server, or just that many licenses of windows XP, or both???
While Samba will *kinda* let you setup a domain, it is a kludge at best. If you want to setup a Windows domain, get a Windows server.
Samba works good for things like file or print servers, but you give up alot using it as a DC.My computer is bigger than yours!
October 24th, 2004, 10:56 AM #22
So for allowing or denying access to the network, Linux would not be a good solution then?
October 24th, 2004, 11:55 AM #23So for allowing or denying access to the network
Let me ask you this.. What do you want it to do?My computer is bigger than yours!
October 24th, 2004, 12:12 PM #24
It is for a LAN Cafe. So I will need to be able to allow or deny access based on if people have paid for the month or whatever. It would be easy in windows server, and I found out that M$ has per device CALs and per user CALs for server 2003. So, even though there will be more cost that Linux, for easy use and upkeep on my part, disableing accounts and enableing accounts, alowing access to different games and such, widdows seems like the choice right now.
October 24th, 2004, 12:55 PM #25
You can probably do this without a server at all.
There are lots of LAN cafe software packages that are made just for this.My computer is bigger than yours!
October 24th, 2004, 02:59 PM #26
Doing a google I found this. It's a topic at another forum that has alot of good info on it:
They're talking about an all Linux network, which is not quite what you need, but it does cover servers and such.
I would go for WinXP machines and a Linux server, for both the cafe and games (I would get more than 1, because game servers can take alot of resources to run). Winex/cedega should let you be able to run games well enough for a server, but it's really not stable enough for actual gaming. And I'm sure there's a Linux LAN Cafe server package out there somewhere that allows for Windows clients.
Washe talked about doing this a while back. I'll see if I can't find his posts for ya...alot of good info there.
October 24th, 2004, 03:03 PM #27
October 24th, 2004, 03:24 PM #28
forgive me for saying this but it sounds to me like this 'project' is being done a$$ backwards. if this is going to be a legitmate business, then a lot of these questions you're asking should have been covered in the business plan proposal.
there's a lot more at stake here than just which OS you're going to be using. ie
1) how many machines will this cafe be hosting on day1 and how many will there be in the foreseeable future (if business picks up)?
2) who will be supporting the network if problems arise (in house people or outside 'consultants')? has this been budgeted even?
3) you mention gaming support...how many machines in the cafe does this cover? obviously gaming will require much more bandwidth and resources than simple traffic like e-mail and net browsing.
4) what is the budget both for the infrastructure (cabling, hardware, software, ISP connection package) and for the hosts?
these are just some of the many questions that need to be answered before you even start to seriously look at your original question of server OS.
Last edited by PresterJohn; October 24th, 2004 at 03:27 PM.
October 24th, 2004, 03:49 PM #29
Any distro would be fine, I would use the one you are most familiar with. To save overhead find out if you can load your distro of choice without X (gui)-- this is very easy to do in slackware and gentoo. (it maybe in others too-- I'm just not familiar with them). How are you going to update the softwere? You will need an internet connection at least for the server-- you will want to have the latest updates for your server software, people will have direct access to your network. (This is true of windows or linux)
Domain controlers are a little tricky in Samba-- you have to setup machine accounts on the server. There are automatic scripts that supposed to do this automaticaly, but I have yet to make one work. (this maybe because the distros I use are a little spartan-- may work great in suse, rh, fedora etc.....) Usually I have had to set up each machine account on the sever by hand-- then go to the windows box and "join the domain" Milage may vary. Once the box is set up with the machine account, then any samba user can log from any comp with a machine account.
Question, If they dont pay their bills: What would you like to see happen?
There are several ways to handle this -- file permissions, passwords, etc...
(I dont know anything about windows servers-- how would you do this in windows?) You may be able to tie this in with some gpl accounting softwere and a shell script of some sort.
How do you want to handle passwords? Do you want them to manage their own, or have an admin handle that? Will you alow multiple logins? (frankly I'm not sure how to turn this off)
Is their share on the server strictly for saved games? (which are typicaly very small) or will they be able to save mp3's and such?
A local web-page with instructions may be a good thing-- static content-- very easy to add and would not cost much overhead. (A couple of very good/very fast webservers out there for static content-- boa is one that comes to mind)
Just some thoughts
October 24th, 2004, 04:30 PM #30
Good thoughts from everyone!
Yes I know there is alot of other things to be considered in the process. Right now we are looking at 20-25 gaming PCs with 15-20 general web surfing/e-mail PCs, and WIFI access for anyone that wants to bring a laptop. The gaming PCs would would be on the server. The general PCs and WIFI would be pay as you go kinda thing untill we had the cash to possibally do a server for that too. Suport and setup would be in-house, there are 6 of "us" that are taking on this project. We will run gigabit for the gaming PCs, and regular 100 Meg for the general PCs, and 802.11 b/g for WIFI. Cabling and network hardware is no problem I have wired, configed routers and switches for some time now, just not that much experance with Linux servers, but some with microsoft server. The PCs have already been priced out, just need to be ordered and put together. ISP is handled also kinda.... we have not decided between T1 or 3-4 cable conections. They could only save games, and game settings, no MP3's or e-mails etc..... There would be rules in regards to surfing, no porn......, downloading and such, that they would have to sign on paper before they could use our services. This has been thought out, I guess I was not giving all the details though. The whole server OS was just so I could put in some R&D time, set up a demo to test the settings on, so there would be less suprises later on in the process.
Last edited by mazdarx7-64; October 24th, 2004 at 04:34 PM.
October 24th, 2004, 05:36 PM #31Originally Posted by mazdarx7-64
October 24th, 2004, 05:53 PM #32
October 24th, 2004, 06:26 PM #33
October 24th, 2004, 06:27 PM #34
a full-blown w2k3 server with the necessary client licenses will cost a pretty penny. linux is cheap but more difficult to set up simply because there's a lot less people who know linux well than there are windoze experts.
if i were you, i would look at some off-the-shelf software that will circumvent the 'excessive' cost of a windows server and the learning curve of a linux setup.
one of them is:
October 24th, 2004, 06:53 PM #35
Thanks PresterJohn, i'll look into it.
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