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  • November 1st, 2007, 01:57 PM
    Socalgal
    Quote Originally Posted by batmeat View Post
    Want my advice? Well, you're getting it anyway Go out and buy the Toshiba HD dvd player if you already have an HD compatible tv. You won't miss out on anything. Even with a decent tv you aren't going to notice the difference between 1080p vs 1080i. So, for $200 ($180 for black Friday supposedly), start enjoying HD content now. dvd upconverters do a decent job of upscaling regular dvd's to HD, but comparing an upconverter to native HD signal is like trying to take apart a computer with a spoon. I personally have an HD-DVD player and Samsung dvd upconverter. I've seen the signal difference. I chose HD-DVD because that format has more $$$ behind it then Blu-Ray. Not trying to start a format war here, but anyone who says there is a huge discrepancy in picture quality of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray needs their eyes worked on. Besides, even if Blu-Ray wins the format war, (imo it won't), you'll be able to pick up a Blu-Ray player down the road for ~$100 eventually anyway as prices come down. In short, enjoy HD now.
    Actually, I'm going to wait a while and see what develops and what prices do over the next year or so. I'm concerned that if I bind myself to one format's player, then my options for the other format are gone.

    I'm considering a combo box - both HD and BR - if the industries and studios can't get together on a format in a year or so. That way, I'm not restricted whatever the future outcome. I'm done buying conventional DVDs, though; what a relative waste my current collection is now. They should let us do trade-ins or give us an upgrade path!

    NOTE: For those interested, check out this HOT DEAL that Robert send me on the subject Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player:
    http://www.resellerratings.com/c-1/s...1/id15341.html
  • October 30th, 2007, 07:12 PM
    vass0922
    Quote Originally Posted by porsch1909 View Post
    When I was deciding between blu-ray and HD-DVD I looked at the titles available. I looked at the stand and saw about 75% for blu ray and 25% for HD DVD. But then I looked more closely. There where 3 or 4 movies put on each sticking out bit for HD and 1 movie per bit for blu-ray....wonder who gets more commision there!

    All things being equal (cost and picture quality) I didn't actually think I could watch any of the blu-ray movies. I didn't like any! Was just my choice
    agreed but in the opposite direction
    Cars and Ratoutouille (sp?) are coming out in BD DVD next month plus a lot of extras.. none for HD DVD. (nor any Disney/Pixar for that matter)
    I was a bit pissed about the sellout dreamworks so I wont get to see Shrek3, but probably not that good anyways.

    Regardless, its a war that can be argued for hours with no winner.
    Its totally opinion at this point
    (BluRay DOES have more storage though )
  • October 30th, 2007, 06:52 PM
    porsch1909
    Quote Originally Posted by vass0922 View Post
    http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/s...selling_hd_dvd

    This is not for players, but blu-ray dvd's in general
    (note I've seen that the numbers still held true even after Transformers were released (HD-DVD only because paramount/dreamworks sold out for 1.5 mil - Michael Bay the producer was not impressed))

    Went to best buy the other day, they had 4 racks of BD DVD and 3 racks of HD DVD

    Do a google for blu-ray vs hd dvd

    When I was deciding between blu-ray and HD-DVD I looked at the titles available. I looked at the stand and saw about 75% for blu ray and 25% for HD DVD. But then I looked more closely. There where 3 or 4 movies put on each sticking out bit for HD and 1 movie per bit for blu-ray....wonder who gets more commision there!

    All things being equal (cost and picture quality) I didn't actually think I could watch any of the blu-ray movies. I didn't like any! Was just my choice
  • October 30th, 2007, 06:09 PM
    vass0922
    Quote Originally Posted by porsch1909 View Post
    Have you got a link for that? Is that including PS3 sales?
    http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/s...selling_hd_dvd

    This is not for players, but blu-ray dvd's in general
    (note I've seen that the numbers still held true even after Transformers were released (HD-DVD only because paramount/dreamworks sold out for 1.5 mil - Michael Bay the producer was not impressed))

    Went to best buy the other day, they had 4 racks of BD DVD and 3 racks of HD DVD

    Do a google for blu-ray vs hd dvd
  • October 30th, 2007, 05:38 PM
    no1_vern
    Actually, since my TV is the regular old TV, I see no reason for buying HD anything until late 2008/early 2009, when the digital changeover is a requirement.
  • October 30th, 2007, 05:35 PM
    batmeat
    Want my advice? Well, you're getting it anyway Go out and buy the Toshiba HD dvd player if you already have an HD compatible tv. You won't miss out on anything. Even with a decent tv you aren't going to notice the difference between 1080p vs 1080i. So, for $200 ($180 for black Friday supposedly), start enjoying HD content now. dvd upconverters do a decent job of upscaling regular dvd's to HD, but comparing an upconverter to native HD signal is like trying to take apart a computer with a spoon. I personally have an HD-DVD player and Samsung dvd upconverter. I've seen the signal difference. I chose HD-DVD because that format has more $$$ behind it then Blu-Ray. Not trying to start a format war here, but anyone who says there is a huge discrepancy in picture quality of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray needs their eyes worked on. Besides, even if Blu-Ray wins the format war, (imo it won't), you'll be able to pick up a Blu-Ray player down the road for ~$100 eventually anyway as prices come down. In short, enjoy HD now.
  • October 30th, 2007, 05:30 PM
    no1_vern
    I think you should hold off buying any of these Technologies until everything gets sorted out.

    I have never liked buying crippleware, and dont intend to ever again.
  • October 30th, 2007, 03:53 PM
    porsch1909
    Quote Originally Posted by vass0922 View Post
    at this point blu-ray is selling nearly 2-1 over hd-dvd.

    Have you got a link for that? Is that including PS3 sales?


    on another note....

    For moving pictures I've heard that 720p is better than 1080i as well! A few people have said that there isn't much difference between 1080i and 1080p....but I beg to differ.

    Recently went HD with a lovely new 58'' plasma TV. Can't believe the difference. Damn shame that LOTR isn't out in HD yet.
  • October 30th, 2007, 03:26 PM
    Socalgal
    Thanks, Whir!
  • October 30th, 2007, 03:13 PM
    NeoStarO1
    ok, thanks, well now I know this,. Thanks. Now i know this for when I go rent movies and wonder why they rent movies to me that don't work.
  • October 30th, 2007, 03:13 PM
    Whir
    Neo, you can't play HD-DVD or BRD on a conventional DVD player. The lasers are completely different.


    IIRC, the PX50U units were well-rated. I believe I sold one or two when we did a stint with Panasonic. You shouldn't have any problems interfacing the units, except that I don't remember if that particular TV can accept 1080p or just 1080i.

    The downside there is that that particular panel (like most 42" plasmas even presently) is only a 768 panel. Hi-def by definition, but not the 1080 that HD-DVD and BRD are capable of.

    You will want to check the TV's manual to make sure it can support those input signals for sure before going with anything that can actually give the TV a 1080p signal. For all I know, the players could be capable of producing a 1080i output, or even a 720p output and thus be compatible regardless. We don't stock any HD-DVD or BRD players presently, so I'm not familiar with more than their playing capabilities via the propaganda we get from our suppliers.
  • October 30th, 2007, 02:32 PM
    Socalgal
    lol Gomer, me too.. ahhh

    Well, I don't *want* to put it off for another minute but can't afford (unfortunately) to keep buy new equipment. Btw, I have a Panasonic TH-42PX50U specs - any known problems using hi-def players with this HDTV? It's 2 years old already.

    Neo, my understanding is that you cannot play HD/BR DVDs on a conventional (i.e., non-HD/BR) DVD player.
  • October 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM
    NeoStarO1
    and I was thinking this was suppose to be some great movie that BlockBuster was offering.

    Well thanks for the thread because now I know its not a movie.

    Well im an owner of a 29$ DVD player from costco and a Vizio Flat screen tv. Only question I don't understand is format of these types. So say for example I went to block buster and rented a movie with B/R Technolgoy, will my dvd player play the movie?

    BTW I do like my cheap dvd player, it works pretty good imo. :shrug: No complaints here.
  • October 30th, 2007, 01:50 PM
    Gomer
    Quote Originally Posted by Whir View Post
    I was _very_ impressed with how much better real HD content is than standard DVD upscaled on a big TV. The difference is amazing. I was actually becoming pretty jaded about so-called "high definition" TVs and picture, simply because I hadn't seen anything that I was really impressed by. Real 1080p content on a real 1080p TV is very, very impressive, however.
    STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MUST

    RESIST

    URGE

    tobuyhdequipment


    growing weak

    must be strong

    resistance is futile
  • October 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
    Whir
    Time makes all the prices more squishy. I think we'll see more dual format players soon, and I think it'll help the overall price of such units.

    The question becomes, how long are you willing to put it off and miss enjoying hi-def goodness?

    I was _very_ impressed with how much better real HD content is than standard DVD upscaled on a big TV. The difference is amazing. I was actually becoming pretty jaded about so-called "high definition" TVs and picture, simply because I hadn't seen anything that I was really impressed by. Real 1080p content on a real 1080p TV is very, very impressive, however.

    I don't know what kind of TV you have or what its capabilities are, so your mileage may vary.
  • October 30th, 2007, 01:35 PM
    MegalosSkylaki
    I've heard of another type of HD standard ( a third) that uses a variant of the same red laser technology to render HD DVDs.

    If that is true, well the best doesn't always win --if the big companies oppose.

    Usually when quality fights economy, it is economy that wins out in the end.
    Look what happened to Beta-max.

    I would consider a HD rather than a Blu-ray; but it depends on what the rental outfits go with.

    Maybe, rentals won't be around for long and download by cable/satellite will replace it. So no machine would be necessary.

    Since its a gamble. either way, I'd go with the TOS HD as its cheaper and can upconvert standard DVDs.

    MegalosSkylaki
  • October 30th, 2007, 01:13 PM
    Socalgal
    Yeah, it's really rough; I'm loathe to continue purchasing regular DVDs because eventually I'll be upgrading to a hi-def player.

    What about the players that play both HD and BR? Are they quality? Will they gain acceptance or continue to be prohibitively priced?

    vass I'm jealous
  • October 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM
    Whir
    LG's dual format player is down to $800 as well.
  • October 30th, 2007, 12:32 PM
    vass0922
    at this point blu-ray is selling nearly 2-1 over hd-dvd.
    Is the war over? no
    Myself I'm a blu-ray fan so I'm all for more buyers

    as far as quality goes, its definately top notch and looks fantastic

    Unfortunately HD-DVD has cheaper players, but blu-ray currently has more content.
  • October 30th, 2007, 12:26 PM
    RobRich
    Actually, the Toshiba HD-A2 is not some bargain basement piece of junk. It was considerably more expensive (around $300-$500) until the recent round of HD DVD price drops. Even at higher price points, it has been one of the most popular standalone HD DVD players to date. Many consider it to be a competent upscaling DVD player as well, which helps to offset the cost, especially for those with televisions lacking decent scalers.

    The biggest limitation of the HD-A2 is the lack of 1080p support, which in reality is not much a limitation for those with 1080p televisions having decent deinterlacers.

    If anyone is looking for a step up, then there is the Toshiba HD-XA2. It is a nice player, but its high price point leaves much to be desired if HD DVD fails to garner widespread market acceptance.
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