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  • August 13th, 2009, 10:19 PM
    draboo
    Quote Originally Posted by howste View Post
    What was her name?
  • August 13th, 2009, 09:58 PM
    howste
    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    A German friend said to me, 'the smaller the better.'
    What was her name?
  • August 13th, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Underclocked
    We may wind up riding mules... if we can afford them.
  • August 13th, 2009, 08:32 PM
    brandon184
    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    Soft-hands Brandon definitely's never heard of a pick-up truck for light-duty moves or to the hardware store.
    Gotta keep the paws nice and supple!

    We engaged in more DIY construction and landscaping this year than most households complete in 5 years, and while a pickup might have been nice on a few occasions, it seems silly to purchase a vehicle whose central utility you will only use a few times a year, considering you can rent one for a day for $30.
  • August 13th, 2009, 08:27 PM
    cyphen
    I say we just shorten the mile. Everything will immediately increase it's mileage.
  • August 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
    Toadman
    Soft-hands Brandon definitely's never heard of a pick-up truck for light-duty moves or to the hardware store.
  • August 13th, 2009, 05:39 PM
    brandon184
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    For all of you that think only of small cars:

    Do you have a couch in your home? If so, how did it get there?
    My couch was delivered by a delivery truck from the couch store and if I move it will be transported by a moving company just like 99% of other couches are transported.
  • August 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM
    MTAtech
    No doubt that the Corolla is a cheaper purchase than a Prius. That's why I own an Elantra instead of a Prius, because factoring in the initial cost means much in the calculation.

    A Prius has a larger interior than a Corolla and the Corolla isn't approved by NYC as a taxi (the Prius is.) The other approved alternatives are Ford Escapes and Toyota Siennas. The Prius pays for itself in gas alone in 2.6 years -- just about when the battery needs to be replaced. That would be a reasonable time to replace the vehicle itself because taxis are usually pretty shot by then.

    The bottom line is that a taxi owner can pay for the cost of new taxi from the gas saving alone.
  • August 13th, 2009, 03:04 PM
    Bizkitkid2001
    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    For a 2,900 lbs vehicle, the Prius at 50-60 mpg delivers rather good mileage. Whether it saves money depends upon how much one drives.

    For NYC taxi drivers, the Prius is undoubtedly saving them money. Taxi drivers put on about 75,000 miles a year in city driving. At 40 miles per gal., that's 1,875 gals. At $2.80/gal., they spend $5,250/yr. in fuel. The old Fords got about 15 mpg. or $14,000/yr. in fuel. The savings are $8,750/yr. The fuel savings alone pays for the taxi in less than three years.

    And at 180,000 miles the Battery needs to be replaced, that is a $3,000 fee just for the battary, NOT including installation cost.

    So lets see, at 75,000 miles a year, after 2.4 years you have reached 180,000 miles, and are spending $3,000 at least to replace the battery. (More if you have Toyota do it)

    The Corolla (Same size car as the Prius) starts out $6,650 cheaper than the Prius. It is rated at 26 city, so at 26mpg in one year of driving 75,000 miles that would be 2,885 gallons. At $2.80/gal, they would spend $8,078 for gas on the Corolla. The difference between the cost of fuel for the Prius and the Corolla is $2,828. Now subtract the money saved on the initial purchase and the Corolla, in the first year, is cheaper than the Prius by $3,822. After two years, the Corolla is cheaper by $944. By now, the Prius is close to needing it's Battery replaced, and that is $3,000.

    By the time the Prius breaks even, it will have gone over 300,000 miles and would be at its EOL.


    Of course, going from a Crown Vic to a Prius is going to save you money. But going from a Crown Vic to a Corolla would have saved just as much money, and without a car that uses a nickle based battery which does more damage to the earth than a Hummer.
  • August 13th, 2009, 02:17 PM
    MTAtech
    Quote Originally Posted by Bizkitkid2001 View Post
    I was pointing out that the Prius doesn't save the owner money, it doesn't save the environment, and it doesn't get all that spectacular of gas mileage. There are even some gas powered cars that get the same MPG without being Hybrid, like the Chevy Aveo. *
    For a 2,900 lbs vehicle, the Prius at 50-60 mpg delivers rather good mileage. Whether it saves money depends upon how much one drives.

    For NYC taxi drivers, the Prius is undoubtedly saving them money. Taxi drivers put on about 75,000 miles a year in city driving. At 40 miles per gal., that's 1,875 gals. At $2.80/gal., they spend $5,250/yr. in fuel. The old Fords got about 15 mpg. or $14,000/yr. in fuel. The savings are $8,750/yr. The fuel savings alone pays for the taxi in less than three years.
  • August 13th, 2009, 01:38 PM
    The Real Bingo
    The answer isn't electric cars; it isn't hydrogen cars; it isn't hybrid cars. We need a fuel that's easily transportable, relatively cheap, easy to refine, infinitely available, and easy to deliver to our current gasoline fuel infrastructure. Something like algae biofuel.
  • August 13th, 2009, 01:06 PM
    Black*Dragon
    Consider the environmental impact of battery disposal. .Also consider the battery cost to replace them. Electric vehicles were used heavily at the beginning of the 1900's with electric delivery trucks being used up to the 1930's.

    New innovations will improve these cars but it is an extreme expense right now.

    GM is not the company for fresh ideas on electric cars.
  • August 13th, 2009, 01:05 PM
    Bizkitkid2001
    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Diesel isn't the answer. Diesel gets more mileage because there is more energy in a gal of diesel than gasoline. Why is that? Because it takes more oil to make a gal of diesel. There is no free lunch.

    The main mileage advantage to cars sold in Europe is size. Europeans aren't hung up on avoiding small cars. A German friend said to me, 'the smaller the better.'

    I didn't say Diesel was the answer. I was pointing out that the Prius doesn't save the owner money, it doesn't save the environment, and it doesn't get all that spectacular of gas mileage. There are even some gas powered cars that get the same MPG without being Hybrid, like the Chevy Aveo. *


    I said that Hydrogen is the answer.

    *EDIT: Not the American version. Ours has a bigger engine than ones sold over seas. This is all going back to cars in europe compared to what we have.
  • August 13th, 2009, 01:03 PM
    no1_vern
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    For all of you that think only of small cars:

    Do you have a couch in your home? If so, how did it get there?
    I gave my friend(with a truck) a case of beer, and gas money. Not only did he help load it, he filled his truck with my stuff, drove it over to my new house, and then helped unload it and position it in my house. He then helped me get my bedroom(king size bed, 4 chests of drawers), and my gym equipment, and the other bedroom, kitchen, and Office, making something like 5 trips over 3 days. Well worth the beer and ~$30/gas it cost me.

    If you have friends, you dont need monster trucks that get 9MPG on a good day.

    However, IF I hadnt had friends to lean on, I could have gone to any one of the rental places to rent a truck for the weekend.
  • August 13th, 2009, 12:57 PM
    MTAtech
    Diesel isn't the answer. Diesel gets more mileage because there is more energy in a gal of diesel than gasoline. Why is that? Because it takes more oil to make a gal of diesel. There is no free lunch.

    The main mileage advantage to cars sold in Europe is size. Europeans aren't hung up on avoiding small cars. A German friend said to me, 'the smaller the better.'
  • August 13th, 2009, 12:03 PM
    Bizkitkid2001
    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    I agree. Since 1980, autos have gained weight and horsepower based upon the manufacturers presumption that buyers are more interested in performance than economy. The Civic was particularly guilty of this. In 1980, a new Civic weighed 1,731 lbs and had 60 HP at 5,000 RPMs. By 2008, the Civic weighed in at 2,685 lbs and gained more than triple the HP (140 hp @ 6,000 rpms.)

    What hybrid technology has done is allowed manufacturers to get better than 1980 Civic economy with size and performance comparable to the 2009 Civic (a 2009 Prius has a curb weight 2,932 lbs.) It's truly a harmony of competing needs.
    Sadly though, they have been selling cars that get 50, 60, 70, and 80mpg over in europe for years and still do. Its called diesel. Some of those diesel cars that get 50+ mpg have better performance, have more features, and cost less than the Prius.


    Not to mention the Prius still uses Nickel based batteries which do a lot of harm to the environment. I think this article was posted on TIMO before.

    The Recorder


    Iceland is a great example of what we need to be putting our resources towards. Hydrogen powered cars.

    Iceland strides toward a hydrogen economy | csmonitor.com
  • August 13th, 2009, 11:49 AM
    The Real Bingo
    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    I don't like getting wet when it rains.
    It doesn't rain that often.
  • August 13th, 2009, 11:45 AM
    MTAtech
    Quote Originally Posted by The Real Bingo View Post
    Put your money where your mouth is and ride a Vespa.
    I don't like getting wet when it rains.
  • August 13th, 2009, 11:38 AM
    The Real Bingo
    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Like this one ,Bingo

    YouTube - Fat women getting pwned on treadmill

    How many KW do you think was produced ????
    Hey, I never said it'd be easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    99.9% of all personal vehicles never will toe a boat or carry game. Occasionally, some vehicles need to carry a full load. Most cars are used to commute to and from work and haul one person.
    Put your money where your mouth is and ride a Vespa.
  • August 13th, 2009, 11:28 AM
    MTAtech
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    Does that include carrying 7 giggling soccer girls on the way to pizza, along with all of their gear?

    And how big a boat will it tow?

    And are the fenders strong enough to tie a deer onto?

    It's find for a second or third car, but then, what have you gained other than more "special purpose" vehicles?
    99.9% of all personal vehicles never will toe a boat or carry game. Occasionally, some vehicles need to carry a full load. Most cars are used to commute to and from work and haul one person.
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