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  • December 31st, 2011, 07:49 PM
    pickel
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    Yes, we all know you have big balls and love guns.

    No, in this situation it's you who walk into someone else's house and them expect them to play by your rules. Do I walk into your living room and tell you how to live and then throw you in jail for not following my rules?
    According to you, that's how we should live. According to you, I should walk into your living room and if I see you picking your nose I should pull out my gun and shoot you.


    How does this have any relevance to the topic at hand

    Back to the REAL topic.....................


    3. The detainee reported that he was a member of the Taliban who was responsible for the deployment of military troops to specific front line locations in the Takhar Province.

    Security Council Committee established pursuant to resolution 1988 (2011)


    TI.M.23.01. FAZL MOHAMMAD MAZLOOM

    Fazl Mohammad Mazloom was listed on 23 February 2001 as Deputy Chief of Army Staff of the Taliban regime so falling within the provisions of resolutions 1267 (1999) and 1333 (2000) of the United Nations Security Council regarding acts and activities of the Taliban authorities.

    Additional information:

    Fazl Mohammad Mazloom was a close associate of Mohammed Omar (TI.O.4.01) and helped him to establish the Taliban government. Mazloom was at the Al-Farouq training camp established by Al-Qaida (QE.A.4.01). He had knowledge that the Taliban provided assistance to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (QE.I.10.01) in the form of financial, weapons and logistical support in exchange for providing the Taliban with soldiers.

    He was a commander of approximately 3,000 Taliban front-line troops in the Takhar Province in October 2001.
  • December 31st, 2011, 05:25 PM
    tony_j15
    If someone was to walk into my house uninvited, they wouldn't walk out. Try me....
    Yes, we all know you have big balls and love guns.

    No, in this situation it's you who walk into someone else's house and them expect them to play by your rules. Do I walk into your living room and tell you how to live and then throw you in jail for not following my rules?
    According to you, that's how we should live. According to you, I should walk into your living room and if I see you picking your nose I should pull out my gun and shoot you.
  • December 31st, 2011, 04:27 PM
    sharder8
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    And that makes pickel's argument even more foolish. If we can declare anything to be a battlefeld, and any citizen an enemy combatant, then under his rules we should just start lining up Americans and shooting them to satisfy his patriotic bloodlust.
    Please educate yourself, before making idiotic comments like the above.

    You can start with the Laws of Land Warfare, which btw, were written and agreed to internationally, many years before the current War on Terror.

    It is extremely clear on who is and who isn't to be considered an enemy and also, how they are to be handled/dealt with.

    A big part of the current problem with those in Gitmo, is the US decided to not follow the LLW and treat those personnel differently. Civilian politics has taken this to the max and everything is blown out of proportion.

    The LLW are also recognized to be in compliance with GC, and in fact, mutually support each other.


    Harder
  • December 31st, 2011, 01:09 PM
    pickel
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    Typical Harder. You always call people wrong but never have the gumption to say how or why they are wrong.



    Pickel, that argument is completely stupid. What you are saying is that if you walk into someone else's house and find a family fighting each other, you get to be the judge, jury, and execute someone on the spot.
    It only became a "war" when we went over there. The allegations against Fazl occurred before we went to Afghanistan. If Fazl was to go anywhere, it should be to an International Criminal Tribunal at the Hague.
    War on Terror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The phrase "War on Terror" has been used to specifically refer to the ongoing military campaign led by the United States, United Kingdom and their allies against organizations and regimes identified by them as terrorist......

    P.S. If someone was to walk into my house uninvited, they wouldn't walk out. Try me....
  • December 31st, 2011, 01:09 PM
    tony_j15
    And that makes pickel's argument even more foolish. If we can declare anything to be a battlefeld, and any citizen an enemy combatant, then under his rules we should just start lining up Americans and shooting them to satisfy his patriotic bloodlust.
  • December 31st, 2011, 01:02 PM
    Chuckiechan
    Dude, there is no sign posted as to what is or isn't a "battlefield". The president, under current law has declared everywhere to be a battlefield, including his ability to kill US citizens on US soil. You don't like it, get another president you agree with.

    Back to Battlefields... If you are on a battle field you can be killed by the enemy, or executed by your military for cowardice, falling asleep at your post, etc. things that don't get you executed in civilian life.

    A battlefield is what the winning side declares it to be...
  • December 31st, 2011, 12:18 PM
    tony_j15
    Quote Originally Posted by sharder8 View Post
    No Nick . . . you're failing to comprehend what you are reading.
    Typical Harder. You always call people wrong but never have the gumption to say how or why they are wrong.

    He was on the BATTLEFIELD. That's the ONLY reason that's needed.
    He should have stayed at home But. NO. If he hadn't where he was and wasn't involved in Anti American activities during a WAR, he wouldn't have had his Ass wind up in Gitmo.
    Pickel, that argument is completely stupid. What you are saying is that if you walk into someone else's house and find a family fighting each other, you get to be the judge, jury, and execute someone on the spot.
    It only became a "war" when we went over there. The allegations against Fazl occurred before we went to Afghanistan. If Fazl was to go anywhere, it should be to an International Criminal Tribunal at the Hague.
  • December 31st, 2011, 11:50 AM
    Chuckiechan
    Karzi is trading his life for a deal with the Taliban to remain in power and keep milking the USA while the Taliban builds strength to take power in Pakistan (with the help of Iran).

    Note: The Saudi's financed Pakistan's nuclear program, and could easily "rent" them and point them at Iran when Iran gets the bomb - along the lines of our "nuclear umbrella" over Europe. That's the other "game" being played no one is talking about.

    If there is any lesson the middle east teaches us stupid westerners over and over is these people are all snakes. We have about as much in common with them as we do men from Mars.

    So I really don't care what happens to them, considering they couldn't care less about us.
  • December 30th, 2011, 08:49 PM
    pickel
    Quote Originally Posted by nickslick74 View Post
    How do you figure? Nothing has been proven against these guys, they are "suspected" of doing something. Unless you are suggesting that we execute anyone that is suspected of some wrongdoing, we all know how some member here get their nuts all swollen up at the thought of indiscriminately killing other human being.

    And no Sharder, I rarely fail to comprehend anything I read.
    UNCLASSIFIED
    Department of Defense Office for the Administrative Review of the Detention of Enemy Combatants at U.S . Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

    23 August 2006 TO: SUBJECT: FAZL, MOHAMMAD UNCLASSIFIED SUMMARY OF EVIDENCE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD IN THE CASE OF FAZL, MOHAMMAD

    1. An Administrative Review Board will be convened to review your case to determine if your continued detention is necessary.
    2. The Administrative Review Board will conduct a comprehensive review of all reasonably available and relevant information regarding your case. At the conclusion of this review the Board will make a recommendation to: (1) release you to your home state; (2) transfer you to your home state, with conditions agreed upon by the United States and your home state; or (3) continue your detention under United States control. 3. The following primary factors favor continued detention: a. Commitment 1. The detainee is approximately thirty-eight years old. The detainee was born in Uruzajan, Afghanistan. The detainee's only son was approximately five years old.

    2. The detainee attended the mosque in Afghanistan as a child. The detainee received his religious education in Kohata then his family moved to Pakistan where he continued religious studies.
    3. The detainee reported that he was a member of the Taliban who was responsible for the deployment of military troops to specific front line locations in the Takhar Province. 4. According to a source, a former Taliban supreme leader considered the detainee his top soldier. In the war against the Northern Alliance, the detainee was responsible for widespread atrocities against noncombatants. 5. The detainee reported that during the conflict in the northern areas of Afghanistan, he learned of America ' s involvement and immediately decided to surrender. 6. The detainee reported he held the position of Taliban Army Chief of Staff and surrendered to the Northern Alliance. The detainee believed that he and his 3,000 to 5,000 Taliban troops would be allowed to return home after handing over their weapons.

    DMO Exhibit 1 Page 1 of 2

    UNCLASSIFIED
    000014
    ISN 007

    UNCLASSIFIED
    SUBJECT : UNCLASSIFIED SUMMARY OF EVIDENCE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD IN THE CASE OF FAZL, MOHAMMAD

    7. According to a source , the detainee proposed a plan to a former Taliban Supreme Leader to send an assassination team to try to kill Northern Alliance Commander Abdul Rashid Dostum.

    b. Connections/Associations
    1. The detainee was identified as a Taliban Army Chief who worked for the Supreme Taliban Commander along with other Taliban Army Commanders. 2. Prior to his surrender, the detainee confirmed that he had communications with the Supreme Taliban Commander to request supplies for his troops. c. Other Relevant Data

    1. The detainee lost his left, lower leg after stepping on a land mine while walking off a road near Kabul. 2. According to a source affiliated with Mohammed Atta, 500,000 United States Dollars were provided to pay the Northern Alliance for the safe passage of several senior hard line Taliban including the detainee.
    3. When the detainee was asked if he knew anything about the Iranian ' s who were taken hostage from the Iranian Consulate in Mazar-E-Sharif, then were later killed, he said he knew nothing about the incident. The detainee said he did not know how they were killed or who ordered the killing . The detainee claimed he was in the hospital in Kabul when the killings took place. 4. The following primary factors favor release or transfer:

    a. The detainee claimed he never met Usama bin Laden or any of the al Qaida leadership or members. b. The detainee claimed that the attacks on the United States were not part of the jihad he was fighting and if he were released, he would not want to go back to Afghanistan. Instead, the detainee would want to go to Saudi Arabia to raise his family.
    5. You will be afforded a meaningful opportunity to be heard and to present information to the Board; this includes an opportunity to be physically present at the proceeding. The Assisting Military Officer (AMO) will assist you in reviewing all relevant and reasonably available unclassified information regarding your case . The AMO is not an advocate for or against continued detention, nor may the AMO form a confidential relationship with you or represent you in any other matter.

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  • December 30th, 2011, 08:38 PM
    pickel
    Quote Originally Posted by nickslick74 View Post
    How do you figure? Nothing has been proven against these guys, they are "suspected" of doing something. Unless you are suggesting that we execute anyone that is suspected of some wrongdoing, we all know how some member here get their nuts all swollen up at the thought of indiscriminately killing other human being.

    And no Sharder, I rarely fail to comprehend anything I read.
    He was on the BATTLEFIELD. That's the ONLY reason that's needed.
    He should have stayed at home But. NO. If he hadn't where he was and wasn't involved in Anti American activities during a WAR, he wouldn't have had his Ass wind up in Gitmo.
  • December 30th, 2011, 08:28 PM
    nickslick74
    How do you figure? Nothing has been proven against these guys, they are "suspected" of doing something. Unless you are suggesting that we execute anyone that is suspected of some wrongdoing, we all know how some member here get their nuts all swollen up at the thought of indiscriminately killing other human being.

    And no Sharder, I rarely fail to comprehend anything I read.
  • December 30th, 2011, 08:22 PM
    pickel
    Quote Originally Posted by nickslick74 View Post
    Epic reading comprehension fail on pickel, sharder, and chuckiechan's part...

    Read the article before you start spouting off about who should be killed.

    Karzai = Afghanistan President


    The president of Afghanistan is asking for these guys release.
    I could give a shit WHO'S asking. The son of a bitch should be rotting in grave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • December 30th, 2011, 08:17 PM
    sharder8
    No Nick . . . you're failing to comprehend what you are reading.

    History will tell who's right . . . happy I won't be here when you get the answer.


    Harder
  • December 30th, 2011, 03:58 PM
    nickslick74
    Epic reading comprehension fail on pickel, sharder, and chuckiechan's part...

    Read the article before you start spouting off about who should be killed.

    Karzai = Afghanistan President

    The Associated Press has learned the identity of some of the proposed transferees, including Khairullah Khairkhwa, former Taliban governor of Herat, and Mullah Mohammed Fazl, a former top Taliban military commander believed responsible for sectarian killings before the U.S. invasion that toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan in 2001.
    Karzai's own advisers seeking peace with the Taliban had named those men among several Afghan Taliban prisoners it wanted released from Guantanamo as a goodwill gesture, but Karzai wants the prisoners to come to Afghanistan, not a third country, a senior Afghan official in the region said.
    The president of Afghanistan is asking for these guys release.
  • December 30th, 2011, 02:23 PM
    Chuckiechan
    I wonder if Democrat abortion policies have tied Mao's record yet?

    But let's not crap the thread, shall we?

    Our president is trading temporary political peace to help win his re-election, knowing full well that the Taliban are poised to take over as soon as they can get away with it.

    And regarding China, does anyone believe the world would be better off is we ignored them from the get go? It had to happen eventually. People naturally resist poverty and try to live better.
  • December 30th, 2011, 01:46 PM
    Theophylact
    Tell me again why you think it was a good idea for Nixon to shake hands with (and establish diplomatic and commercial relations with) one of the Twentieth Century's greatest mass murderers.

  • December 30th, 2011, 01:14 PM
    sharder8
    I agree with pickel . . .

    They should all be released . . .















    To the firing squad for immediate execution!



    Harder
  • December 30th, 2011, 01:08 PM
    Chuckiechan
    Remember that the next time you rip on me for calling Obama the POS that he is.
  • December 30th, 2011, 12:24 PM
    pickel

    U.S. Weighs Releasing Taliban Commander From Gitmo as Part of Peace Talks Read more:

    This man should have been executed upon capture !!!!!!! What an INSULT to our Soldiers and those who gave their lives. Our leadership ( ? ) has gone MAD !!!!!!!!!!




    http://tribune.com.pk/story/314097/u...ous-peace-bid/


    U.S. Weighs Releasing Taliban Commander From Gitmo As Part Of Peace Talks | Fox News




    A senior U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that Mullah Mohammed Fazl is among the prisoners being considered for release. Held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002, Fazl was suspected in sectarian killings of Shiite Muslims before the U.S. invasion that toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan in 2001.



    According to Reuters, WikiLeaks documents also placed him at the scene of a 2001 prison riot where CIA officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed, though it's unclear whether Fazl was involved.

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