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Well for starters you can create your own thread and actually post some usable content that can help us help you, rather than quote someones 2 postings from this thread and then ask a question for help without providing a shred of useful info for us to help you with.

my pc is does not support games

Originally Posted by wrabit

This is my pc

HP Compaq dc7800 Convertible Minitower PC specifications - HP Small & Medium Business products

Power Supply is 365W it also says 80% Efficient

its a tower casing dont know why its called minitower

SPECS

Core2Quad Q6600
2GB RAM
Intel Q35 Motherboard
PSU 365W

Originally Posted by wrabit

Hello
i want to buy PCI Express Graphics Card but i don't know whether my Mother Board will support one and which one would be the best card keeping in mind that i have 100USD
My PC Specs are

HP Compaq DC7800 Minitower Convertible
Core2Quad 2.4 8MB l2 cache
Q35 motherboard
2 GB Ram DDR2
320HD SATA
any help will greatly be appreciated
Thanks

my pc is does not support games plz help me

Hi Shy,

Thank you for your reply, specially on the weekend, really appreciate it.

Just because I'm a little slow, so these links to PSU's below, would they fit my current case? As after looking around on the web I think the case route is going to be tricky, as you say, a lot of them have been discontinued. And feel safe 'just' buying a new PSU, plus cheaper.

Originally Posted by ShyguyXPC

Corsair CX 430W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply | CMPSU-430CXV2UK

Coolermaster GX Lite Series - 500 Watt Power Supply | CM-RS500-ASABL3-UK

Corsair CX 500W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply | CMPSU-500CXV2UK

Any of those would suffice, if the case can hold them.

another one: Xigmatek No Rules Power 500w Power Supply [CPH-0500U-X02]

OCZ CoreXtreme 500w '80 Plus' Power Supply [OCZ-CSX500W-UK]

Any of the above are fine for me, price is good and from what forums I've read for my NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT card 500w should be fine also.

Just measured the current PSU in my HP Compaq dc7800 convertible minitower it's 150mm W 150mm D 100m H which does seem small? From my previous attempt of buying PSU's for it the mounting bracket in my case makes it awkward, and Im guessing I will have to modify this some what if I buy one of the above PSU's you linked?

Thanks again Shy for your patience I realise this isnt really I/T related more hardware, but I have appreciated your guidance and knowledge.

coolermaster and I think Antec had some BTX compatible Cases as well, but can't remember which ones they were, almost all of these needed some sort of aftermarket conversion kit bought seperately as well.

well part of the problem here is grasping the fact that your looking for the EXACT model I suggested to this member. You don't have to get that exact model. It was one of the cheapest decent solutions for their system.



Obviously if your looking for a new case it would need to support a BTX motherboard, how else would you expect your motherboard to fit in it then?

Ugh, "IT Help"... I've hated that term since it was first coined, and even more so now days that it is more generalized and nearly encompasses just about anything computer related.

Its like the damn "App" term thanks to Apple. There used to be a defined Difference between Applications and Utilities, all of which are Programs, now everything is a Damn App, or even worse, Widget.

anyways, this is nothing more than simple Hardware related upgrades, very little in IT knowledge.

People who do Computer repair or Build these things, have more knowledge usually than those in the general "IT" Fields.

anyways, Depending on what your system Hardware specs are, you'll want to look for a BTX capable Case, if any are out there, and then get a good quality PSU that will fit in it, with a Wattage range you would need.

I linked a whole slew of online retailers in the UK above, and Paul linked another one.


Just going by price from one of the links above

Corsair CX 430W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply | CMPSU-430CXV2UK

Coolermaster GX Lite Series - 500 Watt Power Supply | CM-RS500-ASABL3-UK

Corsair CX 500W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply | CMPSU-500CXV2UK

Any of those would suffice, if the case can hold them.

another one: Xigmatek No Rules Power 500w Power Supply [CPH-0500U-X02]

OCZ CoreXtreme 500w '80 Plus' Power Supply [OCZ-CSX500W-UK]



Some older cases, like the Thermaltake armor case, and the old Aquila Mid tower, had BTX compatibility but needs a BTX Upgrade kit bought separately to do the conversion.

These cases are older and no longer made, but you may be able to find them online as overstock, clearance, or even used.

Thermaltakeusa*»*Aguila : Aguila VD1000BWS

Thermaltakeusa*»*Chassis*»*Full Tower*»*Armor Series*»*Armor : Armor VA8003BWS

Scroll down on that last link and you will see the BTX upgrade kit shown.

its just a matter of finding these cases cheap enough, and the upgrade kit to go along with it.



and keep in mind, the Armor is a HEAVY case, its easily 20-30 pounds empty, with a ton of hardware in it, in my case that was Dual Video cards, PSU, 5 Hard drives, 2 DVD Drives, Sound Card, 6 Sticks of RAM, case fans, aftermarket CPU Heatpipe Cooler, and some other stuff, the weight is toppling at 50+ Pounds easily.

The Aquila would be lighter, but I suspect not by much.

Hi guys, thanks for the help. I've been looking around online, and cant seem to find on that you suggested earlier in this thread (COOLER MASTER Elite 460 RS-460-PSAR-J3 460W ATX12V V2.31 Power Supply)

There either discontinued, or from America. What is it that I am actually searching for that will let me know it will fit into my case (as I said I am a noob). If I go down the case route, what important features am I looking for, a case that will fit a BTX motherboard?

Sorry for the questions guys, I will be seeking some IT help from a friend of a friend, but if I go to him knowing what sort of things I need then that would be a great start. Thanks.

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Decent BTX PSU upgrades are practically non existent, it was never a form factor that caught on, or made standard.

most likely you will have to modify the case to get a standard ATX PSU to fit properly.

That, or find a new case that can hold a BTX motherboard, and hope it allows you to install a standard ATX PSU in it.

I realize this is an old thread, but its the most relevant I've found to my problem, apologies for digging it up.

Ok, I've been experiencing 'blackouts' when playing games and believe it is due to not having enough power to support my card (I have an NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT). I've found on forums, and it suggests I need at least 400w to power it, and as someone has said in this thread, the default PSU that comes with this PC only does 365w. Am I on the right path with this? Power is a problem for that card?

Going back on this thread, Shyguy suggested:

Originally Posted by ShyguyXPC

well roughly for the budget of 100 US Dollars, the best we could suggest, along with a Power supply upgrade would be a 400W range Power Supply, like Coolermaster, Antec, Corsair, Fortron Source/FSP, or similar quality brand unit.

For Example:

This Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Elite 460 RS-460-PSAR-J3 460W ATX12V V2.31 Power Supply

Plus

This Newegg.com - PowerColor AX6670 1GBK3-H Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

Unfortunately I'm in the UK, are there any other links you can point me too for PSU upgrades please. I have bought 2 already from the shops, and as discussed the case on the HP is a nightmare, so had to return them with my tail between my legs, so any help on my problem would be much appreciated! [I am a complete computer noob I'm afraid, so apologies for needing my hand held].

Thanks in advance. Josh.

Anas

I have the same PC : hp compaq dc7800

Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66Ghz 4mb cache 1333FSB
Mobo Q35 Express chipset with intel GMA 3100 onboard graphics (useless)

can i get cooler master 500W PSU for this system becuz i wanted to install a XFX Radeon HD 6770 1GB for gaming in my system so i heard that my system is BTX form factor (Left sided mobo) it has issues with power supply and installing PCI-e card upside down? :O

I just noticed, 47c is 116.6f

Wow, never had to deal with that, the worst we ever see, and that is not often, is100f/37.7c.

IF THERE WAS EVER A REASON, TO WATER COOL.

Pretty much, on any system, no matter how good your cooling is (unless it is water), the computer temp, goes up on a one to one basis, as the room temp.

If your case temp is the same as the room today, it will be the same temp as the room, when it is 47c, even if you have 100 fans, mounted in the case.

Reminds me of the guy, that made a case out of fans.
Fan Case Mod - Hacked Gadgets – DIY Tech Blog

If the room is cooler than the inside of the case, then, and only then, do more case fans, make sense.

Once you have you case cooling at the same, or close to room temp, then to improve temps further all you can do is get a better CPU, and GPU cooler.

A quick check, on a cool case, is to take the side off the case, and place a window fan, blowing in.

This will show, the best cooling you can get, as far as case cooling goes.
If none of the temps go down, the the case cooling is as good as it can get.
If they do go down, more case fans, will help.

well i will post snap after giving full stress, its winter's end here so temp is arround 22C'
what really worries me is that in summer temp rises upto 47C' and in that atmosphere temp system will cause heat problems, shoul i install another fan in casing as im also planning to but PCi Express Card so heat is going to be a problem in future

Yep, agree with Stroyal, the Northbridge chipset temps a bit high, but its expected, this is an HP prebuilt system and heatsink might not be all that great, but its with in acceptable temps.

But also agree, need to be running something in background and monitor the temps to see how high they get while the PC is being worked.

Chipset should be hitting high 60's maybe lower to mid 70's at full load, before its close to overheating.

CPU temps are idling pretty low, about what my old Q6600 used to idle at as well.

I've had my Old Core 2 Duo E6400 and Core 2 Quad Q6600 idle as low as 18 and 22C on a cold morning... of course, that was a cold spring/summer morning and I had the Air Conditioner on right behind the PC overnight, but its the coldest I've ever had my CPU's at.

I didn't look it up, but under 40c is good on almost anything.

The Motherboard @ 49c is probably OK, but to judge your cooling, you have to give us context.

What was the room temp, during this measurement.
And you have to test the temps, under full load.
If it is too hot at idle, you have real problems.

It is pretty hard to find a computer nowadays, that idles below 38c to 40c

28c on a cold morning is the lowest, I have ever seen, and that was a p3.



That TMPIN2 @73f appears to be the case temp, and if your case cooling is sufficient, should be pretty close to room temperature.

that is when system is started motherboard is dust free clean

thanks that was great info,
thanks for your help sir,
i have one more thing which is about temp should i ask here or i should make another threat. i m posting snap if it is suitable in this threat then please answer or i'll just make another threat about it,
are my pcs temperature within normal range ?

PCI Express is backwards compatible with earlier versions, back when the first Geforce 8800GT cards came out they had some issues with running on earlier PCI Express 1.0/1.1 slots, but since then things have been fixed, was an issue with the cards and not the motherboards.


The only problems you would have is running TOP HIGH END PCIe 2.0/2.1 and 3.0 cards on older 1.0/1.1 due to the bandwidth limitations of the older slot. The cards will still work, but the performance may not be at its best.

for your budget range your looking at, these cards don't even exceed 1.0/1.1 bandwidth yet, so not an issue.

Thanks for your time and help
one more thing that all therse cards are compatible with PCIe 1.0 and PCie 1.1 slot

well roughly for the budget of 100 US Dollars, the best we could suggest, along with a Power supply upgrade would be a 400W range Power Supply, like Coolermaster, Antec, Corsair, Fortron Source/FSP, or similar quality brand unit.

And for Graphics card, probably a Geforce GT 440, which should easily be 3 to 4 times better than a GT 220.

or If you can find one a Radeon 5670 or 6570 for similar Price range.

You might even be able to find a Radeon 6670 if the Power supply price is closer to $30.

For Example:

This Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Elite 460 RS-460-PSAR-J3 460W ATX12V V2.31 Power Supply

Plus

This Newegg.com - PowerColor AX6670 1GBK3-H Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

Not including shipping costs would be close to $100 USD

and would make a worth while gaming upgrade, if you can fit that Power supply into your case, or modify the case to fit the PSU in.

Otherwise that power supply and one of these cards:

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100323L Radeon HD 6570 1GB DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

would be ok as well.