Need Help with Dell Dimension4600

**Dunlop** · May 5th, 2010, 06:07 PM

Hi all am new.

I need help upgrading my graphics card on my dell dimension 4600. I dont know crap when it comes do hardware.

I recently purchased a ATI Radeon 9200 256 MB AGP 3D Video Card TV-Out VGA DVI
Link --- ATI Radeon 9200 256 MB AGP 3D Video Card TV-Out VGA DVI - eBay (item 290372678566 end time May-20-10 08:02:21 PDT)

I tryd everything to get that to work

My old card that is crapping out on me is a ATi Radeon Pro 128MB Radeon 9800 DVI VGA AGP Video Card.
Link ATi Radeon Pro 128MB Radeon 9800 DVI VGA AGP Video Card - eBay (item 270571647498 end time May-29-10 13:20:55 PDT)

I just want something that can support two monitors and is somewhat decent. I dont game or do much more then watch hd movies on youtube.

Any help would be great.

Thank you!

**osprey4** · May 5th, 2010, 07:08 PM

Hi Dunlop,

Welcome to TechIMO.

What happened when you tried installing the Radeon 9200? Hard to provide much help if we can't figure out what's wrong.

**Dunlop** · May 5th, 2010, 07:48 PM

Just has black screen after hardware is installed. Drivers are installed. It doesnt even sound like it even boots up all the way, after the new card is in. I can see the fan spinning so i know it has power.

My old card i would have to plug the power cord into it. This new one doesnt even have an option to plug power into ???????

arg

MY computer specs
CPU
Intel Pentium 4
Cores 1
Threads 1
Name Intel Pentium 4
Code Name Northwood
Package Socket 478 mPGA
Technology 0.13um
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Family F
Extended family F
Model 2
Extended model 2
Stepping 9
Revision D1
Instructions MMX, SSE, SSE2
Bus speed 133.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 532.0 MHz
Stock core speed 2800 MHz
Stock bus speed 133 MHz
Caches
L1 data cache size 8 KBytes
L1 trace cache 12 Kuops
L2 unified cache size 512 KBytes
Core 0
Core speed 2793.0 MHz
Multiplier x 21.0
Bus speed 133.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 532.0 MHz
Thread 1
APIC ID 0
Motherboard
Manufacturer Dell Computer Corp.
Model 0N2828
Chipset vendor Intel
Chipset model i865P/PE/G/i848P
Chipset revision A2
Southbridge vendor Intel
Southbridge model 82801EB (ICH5)
Southbridge revision 02
BIOS
Brand Dell Computer Corporation
Version A07
Date 11/06/2003

Graphics
Monitor
Name DELL 1901FP on RADEON 9800 PRO
Current Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
Work Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
State enabled, primary, output devices support
Monitor Width 1280
Monitor Height 1024
Monitor Bpp 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Frequency 75 Hz
Device \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0
RADEON 9800 PRO
GPU R350
Device ID 1002-4E48
Subvendor ATI (1002)
Technology 150 nm
Transistors 117 M
Release Date 2003
DirectX Support 9.0
DirectX Shader Model 2.0
OpenGL Support 2.0
Bios Core Clock 378.00
Bios Mem Clock 338.00
Driver ati2mtag.sys (6.14.10.6525)
BIOS Version 113-A07517-100
ROPs 8
Shaders Vertex 8/Pixel 8
Memory Type DDR
Memory 128 MB
Bus Width 256 Bit

RAM
Memory
Type DDR
Size 1024 MBytes
Channels # Dual
DRAM frequency 166.2 MHz
CAS# Latency (CL) 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 3 clocks
RAS# precharge (tRP) 3 clocks
Cycle time (tRAS) 7 clocks

Windows XP

**stroyal** · May 5th, 2010, 10:20 PM

It doesn't surprise me the 9200 has no power plug, it is half the card as the 9800, it doesn't need one.

At this point, I would be asking, did the first card really go bad, and is the second card really good?
Do you have another AGP computer you can test them in?
When I didn't have extra parts, the local computer shop would test things like video cards, for me.

**Dunlop** · May 5th, 2010, 11:16 PM

I have vertical lines around my mouse, and lines threw about just everything else on the screen. I reinstalled my old card drivers with no avail. I even updated them and still lines everywhere. Its just crazy at start up.

Well since you said the 9200 is half the card, what do you recommend?
I was looking at this one.
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB AGP 8X 109A07500 Graphic Card - eBay (item 160430840506 end time May-13-10 13:02:07 PDT)

Also whats a good psu. My fan on mine keeps freaking out and buzzing sometimes.

If you suggest another card that requires me upgrading my psu thats fine. I have to stick something to stop the fan, sometimes so it doesnt freak.

Thanks all

**stroyal** · May 6th, 2010, 12:07 AM

It looks like the same card, if they were both 9800PROs.
The first one was worded funny, so I wasn't sure if it was a pro,

You could probably go a little better, before that CPU would bottleneck.
I have a HD3850 on a similar AMD system (3000)and it is bottlenecked by the CPU.

If you don't game, a 9800pro is a top card for that system

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmark Charts

I like Corsair to be safe.
The 400Watt will handle that 9800PRO, If you were to go for a more demanding card like the HD3850 the 450watt will handle that easily.
Newegg.com - Computer Hardware,Computer Cases,Power Supplies,Corsair Memory

**stroyal** · May 6th, 2010, 12:11 AM

If you want to shop around E-Bay go by this good list to be safe, on brand.
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**Dunlop** · May 6th, 2010, 12:31 AM

I will prob just go with the pro... will let you know how it goes

I always had my eye on this card though... AGP New Nvidia Geforce 7800GS 512MB DDR3 7800 GS AGP - eBay (item 270447764941 end time May-23-10 04:46:34 PDT)

MMmmmmm I like anime

Thanks guys

**stroyal** · May 6th, 2010, 09:38 AM

The 7800 GS should be better than the 9800 Pro, and should still not bottleneck that system

It is a good idea to use a driver cleaner when going from ATI to Nvidia.

driver cleaner - Google Search

**Dunlop** · May 6th, 2010, 06:12 PM

Well just ordered a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, for $31.90

Just sold the 9200 for 20bucks

Took that money and bought one more gig of ram, now im maxed out at 2 gigs. Chose Elpida, cost me 27.88.

There is a guy that has a 400w Sealthxstream for 40 dollars, is it worth it?

Thanks

Also how do i set up my avatar on here???

**stroyal** · May 6th, 2010, 06:55 PM

Don't waste your money on that power supply, for a few dollars more,these are better.

Newegg.com - FSP Group SAGA+ 400R 400W ATX12V Power Supply compatible with Core i7

Newegg.com - SPARKLE ATX-400PN-B204 400W ATX 12V 2.01 Power Supply - Power Supplies

Newegg.com - Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Newegg.com - SILVERSTONE Strider ST40F 400W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply

Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

Can't remember about the avatar, seems to me you have to find a sight that hosts avatars, and link to that.

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**Dunlop** · May 6th, 2010, 07:03 PM

[quote=stroyal
Can't remember about the avatar, seems to me you have to find a sight that hosts avatars, and link to that.[/quote]

Where do you link though?

You have been a great help stroyal, Thank you!!!

**stroyal** · May 6th, 2010, 07:21 PM

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You need 50 posts first, though.

**Taxmancometh** · May 7th, 2010, 11:16 AM

According to Dell's website forum. One thing to look out for is not to buy a video card for the 4600 with more than 256MB of RAM.

**Dunlop** · May 7th, 2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Taxmancometh

According to Dell's website forum. One thing to look out for is not to buy a video card for the 4600 with more than 256MB of RAM.

Thanks for the heads up.... The card i ordered has 128MB. What would you recommend for a good 256mb AGP card?

**Taxmancometh** · May 8th, 2010, 12:33 PM

Well, back in '05 I stuck in a 6600GT. It performed well. I played F.E.A.R in low-med quality and COD4 on it pretty well. But... you can find a 7600GT or 7600GS with 256MB which is far more superior. The GT would be better. Make sure it's AGP. Good luck!

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**Dunlop** · May 11th, 2010, 01:00 PM

k... i just got the new/used graphics card installed, still am having issues.

I still have some horizontal lines, however if i restart my computer it will sometimes start with no problems at all. At start up it doesnt have any weird lines like it did before.

I did reinstall the drivers for the card, and made sure it was for the 'pro' version!!!

I dont know what to do again.

This is a pic of what my old start up looked like. Everything is perfect now!!

**stroyal** · May 11th, 2010, 01:59 PM

What are the specs, on the power supply you are using
Brand?
12Volt rail amps, all of them, if more than 1 rail.

**Dunlop** · May 11th, 2010, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by stroyal

What are the specs, on the power supply you are using
Brand?
12Volt rail amps, all of them, if more than 1 rail.

I do not know. I want to say 240w, from dell. Everything is pretty much stock, i did also just upgrade my ram to 2gigs. My old card was one of the first gens.. it was still the 9800 pro as well.

I dont care if i have to go in and tell you off the label on my psu, but if there is another way, just tell me how and i will get back to you.

Can speccy tell you?????
Thanks

**stroyal** · May 11th, 2010, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dunlop

I do not know. I want to say 240w, from dell. Everything is pretty much stock, i did also just upgrade my ram to 2gigs. My old card was one of the first gens.. it was still the 9800 pro as well.

I dont care if i have to go in and tell you off the label on my psu, but if there is another way, just tell me how and i will get back to you.

Can speccy tell you?????
Thanks

Sometimes specs can give us a hint.

My 9700Pro ran on a 400watt Allies with 17 amps on the 12Volt, and it ran the power supply hot, because it was a cheap power supply and/or it was overloaded.

Dell generally has very good power supplies, but are just big enough for the system they come in, so they are always small.

Did the computer originally come with a 9800Pro??