Did I just kill my horse?

[swarren777]

Background. I have a computer that was great 5 years ago:
Black no name case
No cooling
ISO PSU 450 Watts
M2A-VM Mothrbooard / 690 chipset
Athelon 64 x2 2.2 Ghz. 4200+
1 x 1gig stick 2 x 512 sticks DDR2 667mhz RAM
Nvidia 7300GT
Western Digital 80GB Hard drive (SATA)
Acer 22W HD monitor
Altec Lansing 2.1 speaker system with 8" sub
Windows XP pro SP 3

So I decide to upgrade it 1 step at a time:
I purchased a Corsair VTX450 PSU that can actually run 450W consistently (The ISO system is net 210 W - MAX 450W)
I bought 3 Gb RAM
I bought an LG super multi 24 X DVD-RW
bought and Antec 300 case and installed 2 x Silverstone blue LED AP-121 fans in the front (2 exhaust fans in the rear)
I bought a Phenom X3 8450 CPU with arctic silver 5 and a Heat sink/fan from a Phenom 2 Quad core.
My next purchase will be Windows 7 64 bit so I can get my RAM recognized and a 1 TB Western digital Hard Drive to use as the Master (The 80GB drive will be a slave.)

So I put the Ram in, installed the motherboard, fans etc. and turned it on. It worked just fine, booted and loaded windows (XP). I then turned it off, installed the new CPU and... nothing. No boot, no signal on the monitor. I pull out the CPU, put the old one in and it boots. I put the new one in, nothing.

The ASUS website clearly says this CPU is supported by the motherboard. I did not flash my BIOS to 5001 because this is an AM2+ socket CPU, not an AM3. - My motherboard is an AM2 socket but AM2+ is supported

Please help!!!!

[swarren777]

O yeah, I forgot to mention that I installed a Zotac 240GT GPU

[osprey4]

And when you called the motherboard manufacturer, they said.....?

[swarren777]

And when you called the motherboard manufacturer, they said.....?

Wow - in other words - don't ask us, call ASUS. OK fine, I'll try that. I just thought that the MB was working just fine with my old CPU so the MB was not the problem - especially since their support site clearly states that this CPU is supported.

If a BIOS flash to 5001 was required for this AM2+ CPU, if I didn't do it, would it still boot? would I still see something on the screen? Is it more likely that my ebay purchase of a used X3 is a problem?

I'll call ASUS.

[nickslick74]

Looking at the cpu supprt list for your mobo, it should support the Phenom you purchased, depending on the version of your BIOS. If you have the 8450, you need at least the 1705 update, if you have the 8450e, you need at least the 2001 update.

ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Motherboards - ASUS M2A-VM (Select the CPU Support list)

If you did flash to 5001, it shouldn't have a negative impact on your current setup, though YMMV. Since your mobo wiorks with your old cpu, but not the new Phenom, that suggests that a BIOS update is needed to support the newer cpu.

[swarren777]

I solved the problem. I didn't call ASUS, I just flashed the BIOS to 5001. No other update appears to be available. It seems that you get redirected to 5001 no matter what link you click on.

I reinstalled the CPU and started it. It is running. I got told by some other "experts" not to update the BIOS to 5001 unless it was an AM3 socket or else I'd have serious performance issues - they were wrong.

I'm loading XP now....

On another note, I need a bigger hard drive. If I have to reinstall everything I'd like to do it with a 64 bit OS that will use more than 3.5 GB of my RAM. Is Windows 7 worth it? should I wait for the prices to drop?

[ShyguyXPC]

Windows 7's Prices really won't drop, thats one part of the PC that usually has a consistent Price, unless its on sale somewhere 10 or so bucks off MSRP, but its pretty much the same price no matter what, unlike actual hardware.

Just go to Newegg or Tigerdirect or somewhere and Order an OEM 64-bit version of Windows 7.

[osprey4]

Wow - in other words - don't ask us, call ASUS. OK fine, I'll try that.

My son had an Asus and had to call for tech support and he got right through to someone who was able to tell him exactly what to do. That's why I recommended it.

[swarren777]

My son had an Asus and had to call for tech support and he got right through to someone who was able to tell him exactly what to do. That's why I recommended it.

Thanks. It's a simple fact that on nameless and faceless forums people are more apt to be pernicious. Perhaps it's a false bravado - it is not likely that people will be held accountable for their statements or that an argument will escalate beyond words.

If it was your recommendation that I seek assistance from ASUS for my query you would have stated "I recommend that you call ASUS, they will likely be able to help you". however, you chose instead to phrase it as a rhetorical question, the tone of which suggests that I had skipped an obvious step.

Perhaps you and your son should spend less time with your motherboards and more time developing positive and effective communication skills. I'm very sure that had we been face to face you wouldn't have had the cojones to answer a question with a question.

Steve Warren

[Networker4321]

WOW! Where does that come from? Osprey is being helpful and polite and you attack the communication skills between him and his son? I was reading the thread to see if there was any pertinent input I might have, you did a better job than most new members in describing your machine and the problem them BAM, you say Osprey wouldn't say that to your face.

I have been here a while yet no one has appointed me as an arbitrator ( nor moderator ) but I couldn't stop myself from commenting on your "attitude out of nowhere"

Rick Ash

[ShyguyXPC]

Networker, not his communication skills between him and his son, but his Communication skills pertaining to this thread.

the OP, took the reply as sort of a smart ass comment than an actual question.

Simple case of Misinterpretation, have done it myself a few times here, making a comment and have it interpreted as being "Smart" or offensive.


Though I would have to add, that last comment made by the OP should have been omitted or not added.

Only helps to elevate the "offense" level in the thread. The tone goes from asking a Rhetorical Question, to making a direct comment or "attack" towards a person, which only helps to escalate tensions in the threads.

(I know from experience as well)

[Networker4321]

Yes, I suppose I see your point. I really WAS honed in on the last comment which added no value to the thread or post. I just flared at someone who doesn't act politely in the IIJM thread.

Thanks

[swarren777]

WOW! Where does that come from? Osprey is being helpful and polite and you attack the communication skills between him and his son? I was reading the thread to see if there was any pertinent input I might have, you did a better job than most new members in describing your machine and the problem them BAM, you say Osprey wouldn't say that to your face.

I have been here a while yet no one has appointed me as an arbitrator ( nor moderator ) but I couldn't stop myself from commenting on your "attitude out of nowhere"

Rick Ash

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there. Tell me Rick, was Osprey really asking a question? Was he genuinely curious as to what the response from the motherboard company was? Deductive reasoning leads me to believe that, since the first submission was well detailed, that information would have been included in the post.

I left a very detailed post about an issue I was having with my new CPU. Osprey responded with a rhetorical question. I had a genuine concern and he responded with the sarcasm of a 12 year old girl. His question was thinly veiled statement as are all rhetorical questions. He said, in effect, why haven't you called the motherboard company instead of posting this?"
I let it go the first time, but he then had the nerve to respond by attempting to explain away his childish response by stating that it was simply a recommendation, as if perhaps I had not understood him. If he had wanted to make a recommendation, he would have said "I recommend X or Y" or maybe "try X it may help". But he did not. So, if he was trying to cover up for his poor response, he is a liar. If he simply can't say what he wants to say when he says it, he is a fool. I chose to treat it as the latter - the lesser of 2 evils.

If the moderators are upset about having to diffuse a bomb, they should blame the one who built it. If Osprey is not a 12 year old girl than he should prove that by showing some wisdom in the way he communicates with other users.

[Networker4321]

No, have seen nothing from the moderators. They are more on the watch for abusive language or grifters trying to post items for sale.

I do see your point. It was just my perspective he was trying to be non confrontational.

Thanks for responding Steve. Stick around, there is a lot of talent in this forum. Helpful people with great willingness to share. My expertise is in networking and server/storage.

[ShyguyXPC]

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there. Tell me Rick, was Osprey really asking a question? Was he genuinely curious as to what the response from the motherboard company was? Deductive reasoning leads me to believe that, since the first submission was well detailed, that information would have been included in the post.

I left a very detailed post about an issue I was having with my new CPU. Osprey responded with a rhetorical question. I had a genuine concern and he responded with the sarcasm of a 12 year old girl. His question was thinly veiled statement as are all rhetorical questions. He said, in effect, why haven't you called the motherboard company instead of posting this?"
I let it go the first time, but he then had the nerve to respond by attempting to explain away his childish response by stating that it was simply a recommendation, as if perhaps I had not understood him. If he had wanted to make a recommendation, he would have said "I recommend X or Y" or maybe "try X it may help". But he did not. So, if he was trying to cover up for his poor response, he is a liar. If he simply can't say what he wants to say when he says it, he is a fool. I chose to treat it as the latter - the lesser of 2 evils.

If the moderators are upset about having to diffuse a bomb, they should blame the one who built it. If Osprey is not a 12 year old girl than he should prove that by showing some wisdom in the way he communicates with other users.

Dude, chill out, the 2nd time he replied, he replied to your sarcasm, which is what he quoted. He also explained why he said what he said.

Just let it drop from there, and move on. He hasn't posted back since then, I assume it isn't worth his time to get in an argument about what he said and how he said it.


Besides, your calling him out and accusing him of stuff, as well as making negative remarks to his character, or more simply put "name calling", is only adding fuel to the fire. And more likely than not, you'll be getting a message from the Admins/Mods than anything.


"I had a genuine concern and he responded with the sarcasm of a 12 year old girl."

"So, if he was trying to cover up for his poor response, he is a liar. If he simply can't say what he wants to say when he says it, he is a fool. I chose to treat it as the latter - the lesser of 2 evils."

"If Osprey is not a 12 year old girl than he should prove that by showing some wisdom in the way he communicates with other users. "

This is what I'm referring to.

You've gone out of your way to make attacks on him and he's done nothing to warrant the comments.

If anything your just digging yourself a bigger hole by making those comments. At least from the Mods Perspective.

I'm talking from experience, as I myself have gotten in trouble or a "talking to" for making comments in other threads about some of our borderline "Troll" members here, "name calling", but not actually saying anything TO them other than making sarcastic comments on the crap they post every now and then. I'm not saying you or Osprey are one, I'm actually referring to one of our Usual Drive By Spammer's, just saying that I kind of know how things go, its better to let something like this just drop, and not get yourself in trouble over it.


From here on Out, I'd suggest just continue on with the original Thread topic and just forget about Osprey's Reply, or lack there of, or how ever you want to interpret it.

[Stefan_D]

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I can see how it could be taken as sarcasm and IMO probably should have been worded differently. This is the internet and everyone is out to troll someone.

While I would have taken his reply the same way as the OP, I would have just ignored it. There's little to be gained from engaging in an argument on the internet, much less when you're asking for someones help.

Either miscommunication or rudeness, it's in everyone's best interest to focus on solving the problem. In the future if you have someone who is unhelpful and rude I see little reason to call them out on it, you're only going to get a discussion about that rather than the initial issue.

Problem solved though, just felt like adding my two cents.