Wanna Buy new desktop

[ShyguyXPC]

True well I spose if you can't feel a difference in weight change I could from non to about 25g doesn't seem like much dunno probably just in my head but I didn't buy it for the weights and as for the scroll you can adjust it so its not free and it does give the feel of the clicking the little button on top behind the scroll cause I didn't like the free scroll cause even for surfing the web was hard to control.

Well I might look into the cases I just don't want to make that a big expense will be looking at the cheaper models. As for noise I'm not really worried though I spose might change my mind down the track and if I do than I'll just buy somethingto help.

I'll have a look at the GTX660 card but I imagine it is going to be more expensive than the 7850.

Also with the hard drives you mentioned are they external or not. I have a 1.5TB WD and a 500GB WD atm but was looking at getting a 2TB.

I have added the 120GB SSD to my list as well. With the 212 EVO would you say I need 2 fans or just 1 extra? I know you have the H60 so I threw it in their but if I went for something a bit cheaper and added another fan?

NZXT Havik 140 CPU Cooler [ACNZHV001] - $69.00 : PC Case Gear

Xigmatek Dark Knight Night Hawk CPU Cooler [21XT-S1283DKNH] - $45.00 : PC Case Gear

Corsair Hydro Series H60 CPU Cooler [CWCH60] - $92.00 : PC Case Gear

Intel RTS2011LC Liquid Cooling System [BXRTS2011LC] - $85.00 : PC Case Gear

Thanks for your help I'll prob have a few more things to ask I have almost got my build

Well, for the mouse thing I can tell the weight of an empty non weighted one and a weighted one, but the increments between empty and fully weighted I can't really tell one way or the other. I always just toss in the full weight and be done with it, I hate light weight floating on air mice, always afraid of braking them or feel like their going to fall apart.



With the GTX 660 its expected to be in the same range as the 7850/7870.

It effectively replaces the GTX 560 Ti range. but with performance as good if not better than the GTX 570, close to 580.

It is expected to beat the 7850, possibly match or beat the 7870.

price range is expected to be around $250-300 USD.

Its also supposedly going to be the last of the GTX 600 series, before Nvidia rolls out the 700 series, maybe sometime in winter, or beginning of next year.


Its expected to push Radeon 7800 series pricing down as well, so might be able to net one of those at lowered prices as well.

The HDD's if your fine with the ones you have, you can just reuse those.

The HDD's I mentioned above, I was just being generalized about.

but I was mentioning either internal or external (if External get a USB 3.0 one, faster transfer speeds).

I have an internal one, but my case has the top mount SATA HDD Dock on it, so I can just plug in an Internal drive and access it that way.

Though in order to use that you need to have AHCI enabled in your motherboards Bios before you install Windows on the main drives.

but that is only for cases like mine with a Hot Swappable (on the fly) Hard drive dock.

USB 3.0, you don't have to worry about that at all. As with any USB, plugin and unplug, with out a problem.


If your fine with the 500GB and 1.5GB you have now, you can use those, with the 120GB SSD, you can install the OS and some frequent use apps and things like Antivirus and such on it, install your games on the 500GB Drive (if its fast enough for you), and back up your data to the 1.5GB.

If you use Steam At All, I'd make sure Steam is setup or installed on the 500GB Drive, so you have enough room for games installed.

I made the mistake in my old system, installing Steam to my 250GB Drive with my OS and a ton of other stuff installed on it, so I had limited room, I could move my Steam folder to the larger drives I had, but would of been more hassle than it was worth.

My Newer system, I made damn sure it was installed on my 750GB Drive this time, and not on the 74GB OS Drive.

As to the Coolers, the 212 EVO would be fine, it comes with mounting to put a 2nd fan on if needed, but the single fan will be enough for stock cooling, even some OCing, if you need more air flow over the heatsink, you can add on a 2nd fan later.

The 212+ which I have, for my brothers PC, also lke the Evo has a bracket for a 2nd fan.


Of those heatsinks you have linked above, just so you know the Xigmatek Dark Knight cooler is one of the tallest heatpipe coolers on the market (along with a few others), its taller than the 212, and may not let you close the case panel on some cases.

My Thermaltake Armor case with its 250mm side fan, I had to remount my fan on the outside of the panel to close the panel with my Dark Knight (The very first version from 3 years ago).

Can't tell from this angle, but the Dark Knight I have is really tall, but plenty of room in this case despite that.



The Armor Case can actually hold Dual CPU Server boards if needed, with room to spare.

damn case weighs nearly 30 pounds empty, with all my hardware in it, the GTX 470, GTX 285, Sound card, 5 Hard drives, 2 DVD Drives, fans, motherboard, Power supply, CPU, RAM, Heatsink, Flash card reader, and cables, its easily nearly 50-60 pounds.

has 11 front 5.25" bays (uses a 3x3.5" Drive bay cage in the front, and a 3.5" Bay in the front that also has the power button in one of the 5.25" bay, which is where my Flash card reader is installed.

then has a 3x3.5" Bay cage in the rear (in pic), the PSU is mounted vertically behind it.

Here's the side panel.







Better view of the heatsink:



You can see how tall it is, and the Thermaltake Armor case is a fairly wider than normal case to boot.



The 140mm Xiggy cooler will be as tall if not taller as well.

[ShyguyXPC]

Been looking at cases and I know I can buy cheap fans but I'm thinking these couple cause they already come with more fans already with filters and still under $100

Thermaltake V9 Case [VJ40001W2Z] - $99.00 : PC Case Gear

Lian Li Lancool First Knight PC-K59 [LL-PC-K59] - $79.00 : PC Case Gear

NZXT Tempest 210 Mid Tower Case [CSNZT210] - $69.00 : PC Case Gear

I really like the thermaltake design but I also like the price of the Lian Li one lol.

I've been looking at the GTX660 and it is supposedly coming out on 16th of August but I couldn't find anything saying that this was definite. But it's suppose to be very close to the 670 only that the memory bandwidth is less and is similar to the 7850 but its texel rate is much better than the 7850 and pixel rate is a little better. I'm sure you already new that but I like saying it to refresh myself and encase I am wrong lol but I might try hold out for it see exactly what the specs are in comparison to the 7850.

I like the V9 as well, its the case I recommended to one of my gaming buddies, and he built his Core i7 2600K GTX 560 Ti SLI setup rig in it.

Loves the case, good cooling, decent room, etc.

Though its not my favorite of Tt's cases, but its a good case none the less.


Lian li used to be the PREMIERE case company, still is one of the best, at least for their All Aluminum Cases, only rivaled by Silverstone.

some of their LanCool series Cases aren't bad as well, Aaron thats here on TIMO has one, and loves it.

The NZXT is a good one as well.


About the price of the Tt case, Corsair Carbide series isn't bad at all.

Corsair Carbide 300R Compact Gaming Case [CC300R] - $109.00 : PC Case Gear

The cases I'd like myself is Corsair Graphite Series cases, love every single thing about them, their width, depth, cooling and cable management, room, and over all looks.

Another good case, Same as I have, but latest version as different color, I actually like this one better than the one I have.

CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced Black & White Edition [RC-692A-KKN5-BW] - $125.00 : PC Case Gear

This is the one I have:

CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced USB3.0 [RC-692A-KKN5] - $109.00 : PC Case Gear

Well, I have the prior version with out USB 3.0, but I have that top panel to replace on it, so technically I do have it LOL.



If your stuffing Nvidia cards in your case, this could be decent as well (Theme wise anyways): CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition USB3.0 [NV-692A-KWN5] - $119.00 : PC Case Gear


The HAF series is quite popular as well: CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced [RC-912A-KWN1] - $105.00 : PC Case Gear

Has good cooling, but the styling is a bit too much for my tastes, as well as interior is BLAH, no painted interior, too bland looking like the Lian Li, inside anyways.

This Sharkoon isn't too bad either.

Sharkoon Tauron Green Case [SHK-TAURON-GREEN] - $99.00 : PC Case Gear

The green interior looks nice, but pops out at you a bit too much, but with the green paint, and an Nvidia card, it'd look decent with the all Black ASRock Mobo.



My rig, in the one pic above from earlier, I purposely bought everything by brand, performance, and colors to match, I wanted a black on black on black kind of look, the Noctua fan's kind of ruin it, and the Bit Fenix Sleeved cables for the front panels are color coded to the wires for the front panel connections, so I know what connects to what, but everything else was Black, Green, or Blue for Intel/Nvidia, and all Black interior components and cables.




As to the GTX 660, some of us have been waiting on the damn thing for 4 months now, and most sources are certain it will be out next month.

If its released on the 16th, it could be weeks before its in stock anywhere, if it is in stock, it could be hours before its out of stock, so its hard to say.

as it is, there's been a non stop shortage on GTX 670, 680 and 690 cards as it is, supposedly the 660's are defective versions of those cards off the assembly line, detuned and sold as lower end models, much like most prior generation cards from nvidia and AMD.

Intel does the same thing with its CPU's.


Its almost certainly going to be better than the 7850, thats a given, the 7870 thats another story, whether it will be same or better and if so, will it be at a lower price.

the 7850 really isn't a concern,

Considering the 670 matches or beats the 7900 series, its almost certainly that that 660 will match or beat the 7870.


but its always a good idea to wait to see what reviews say about the cards.

[wannabgamer]

I agree I don't like the light mice either it feels unnatural and empty.

Yea I read a few other forums and things about the GTX 660 so I might just wait a little longer see if they give anything definite out about it soon. Hopefully I have the patience to wait for it though.

I will still be getting an internal HD as well but whether or not I get extra external I suppose will just have to wait and see cause yea I want to get into using steam again been ages.

The 212 EVO looks like its going to be the way to go for me to save a little bit more and I wasn't sure about the Dark Knight to start with but I think I'll just steer clear of it lol. Also another thing with the fans size wise is it better to have two 120mm or one 200mm or doesn't really matter?

As for the cases I didn't really like any of the NZXT's well at least not the one's in my price range I didn't look at any of the other higher end models. Themewise though I love the CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition USB3.0 [NV-692A-KWN5] - $119.00 : PC Case Gear it looks sick but again at the end of the day it'll just depend on whether or not I wanna save that extra like $30. But I suppose I have plenty of time to decide on cases now waiting for the GTX 660.

My roommates think its hilarious cause I have more pages of notes for my new computer then I did for my whole semester at uni keen to start PC gaming

[ShyguyXPC]

The NZXT cases aren't too bad really, the lower end ones are kind of Blah on the outside, but they offer great room and cooling on inside, and are painted inside as well as out.

the NZXT Phantoms in the $100 and above are really nice as well.

Personally I mainly like the White colored ones, rather than the always Black cases we have now days.

Which is why I like the white CM 690 II Case, the White Corsair Graphite series case (but also like the black, mainly due to the overall look and function of that particular case), and the White NZXT cases.



As to the fans issue, for case cooling a 200mm is better, IMO, usually the general rule is the larger the fan surface area, the lower RPM it needs to turn (Quieter operation), to push the same amount of Cubic Feet Per Minute (CFM), of air.

That's why there was a massive shift years ago from 80 and 92mm fans for cases and coolers to 120mm sizes. Back then you were lucky to find even ONE case with a single 120mm fan mount.

90% of cases back then only used 80mm fans.

but anyways, many good cases these days support 140mm fans, or multi mount setups, the 690 II, can mount on its side panel for example (like mine), 140, 120, 92, & 80mm fans.

most cases with 120mm mounts can support 140mm fans.

though there are some 140mm fans on the market that use 120mm mounting, they do this by making the fans frame round rather than square, and putting screw mounts farther inward to mount to 120mm spots.

Scythe is one of the brands that does this as you can see here: Newegg.com - Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Maru2 140 series SM1425SL12L 140mm Case Fan

note the slightly reduced frame design, to accommodate such mounting.

as to using on a CPU Cooler, I don't know of any coolers that use 200mm fans, largest I have seen is 140mm.

as to how many to use, just one for now, even with OCing, though for really high OCing on lower end cooling, a couple fans in push pull config, one fan pushed air through, the other pulls it through, for more uniform, consistent and directed airflow through the heatsink.

Its the recommended setup for Liquid cooling kits as well, when doing any OCing, or if your ambient room temps are abnormally high, though with these setups, they require different fans specs, usually ones with a High Static Air Pressure, not necessarily High CFM, since Liquid Cooling radiators are usually more densely packed than heatpipe coolers, the air being pushed needs to have more push through the radiator, basically these fans usually have a bit more torque or Push power through the radiator, with typical fans, pushing air, if the air pushes back due to resistance, this will cause the fan to slow its RPM and slow down, which can eventually impede good cooling over all.


Fans like Scythe Gentle Typhoon Series, Most Noctua Fans, etc, have good CFM and Good Static Air Pressure.

For typical heatpipe coolers, its not as necessary to use these fans, but more CFM is usually a better choice, though ideally keeping fan noise levels down as well.

[wannabgamer]

The fans I was referring to where just intake and exhaust the V9 tt has a 120mm intake front, a 120mm exhaust back and a 230mm exhaust top. Do I need more intake or not really especially if the room can get quite hot?

As to the the LED's in the fan can I change them is it simple enough or are the fans generally coloured as well?

[ShyguyXPC]

most fans have the LED's built in, if your handy with electronics and soldering you can change them, otherwise, you'll want to just buy a fan with the desired LED color you want.

Some fans are colored and use white LED's, but most use some sort of color LED.


As to intake fans, you need to maintain a balance, too little intake, too much exhaust can create a lack of air pressure in the case, and lack of air to absorb heat and exhaust, too much air and it can have a heat build up effect, though its always better to have a bit too much than none at all.

just going with the stock fans is fine for most, if the case has a side panel and fan placement spots, some of us like to install a side fan for intake for the GPU's to cool.

[wannabgamer]

well I have never soldered but I worked as a builder and have done a bit of spot welding but maybe I might try it on something else first if i decide to change the LED's. Yea I was trying to decide on the side fan I don't really like it but I suppose you wouldn't really see it that much, still deciding on the case though.

[wannabgamer]

So I have read that there isn't much different between the Corsair Hydro series H60 or the H70. I have found the H70 for about $10 cheaper should I just go with it? I've just been thinking that I might be better with liquid cooling as summer gets quite hot and humid here and don't have a/c. Am I stressing to much bout the cooling as you keep telling me the 212 EVO is fine just seems so much cheaper makes me a bit worried lol thoughts...

[ShyguyXPC]

Well for stock cooling (read, not overclocking) the cooling won't be a whole lot of difference with the liquid cooling, and it does rely heavily on the ambient room temps.

as to which to get, the H70 isn't made anymore, and is one of the 1st generation kits from Corsair, the H60 marked the latest series. Mainly because it was a Joint Venture between Corsair and CoolIT Systems, which also makes kits, also the water block/base was improved in efficiency as well, various things like micro channels in the water block for increase liquid flow over the base for cooling, and what not.

smaller quieter motor/pump in base, etc.

the H80 replaced the H70, the 60 replaced the H50 (the first model in the series).

if you can get the 70, for cheaper, though its older, it might be the better choice If I remember right the 70's Radiator was thicker like the 80's. If it only includes one fan, then you'll want to get 2 fans to put on it, a couple 120mm Scythe Gentle Typhoon's with an RPM of at least 1400 or better would probably be recommended.


With my AC off, as its directly behind my PC, my setups cooling temps aren't all that much less from using a stock air cooler.

I'm currently not OCing my system either, and I live in Minnesota in the US here, our summer temps are quite hot as well, and since our state has some of the highest concentration of lakes, and bodies of water in the whole country, add to that the farm land, our humidity levels can be quite staggering as well.

The state's nickname, The Land of 10,000 Lakes, is no exaggeration; there are 11,842 Minnesota lakes over 10 acres (0.040 km2) in size.[17] The Minnesota portion of Lake Superior is the largest at 962,700 acres (3,896 km2) and deepest (at 1,290 ft (390 m)) body of water in the state.[17] Minnesota has 6,564 natural rivers and streams that cumulatively flow for 69,000 miles (111,000 km).[17] The Mississippi River begins its journey from its headwaters at Lake Itasca and crosses the Iowa border 680 miles (1,090 km) downstream.[17] It is joined by the Minnesota River at Fort Snelling, by the St. Croix River near Hastings, by the Chippewa River at Wabasha, and by many smaller streams. The Red River, in the bed of glacial Lake Agassiz, drains the northwest part of the state northward toward Canada's Hudson Bay. Approximately 10.6 million acres (42,900 km²) of wetlands are contained within Minnesota's borders, the most of any state except Alaska.[18]

Coupled with the Farming in many parts of the state, add in the high temps of summer, usually in 80-90+ F, and yeah, it can be pretty hot here and humid as well.

A lot of people don't realize that, especially that last statement about wetlands, usually a lot of people think Florida or those parts of the US are a lot, they have nothing on our states wetlands size.



Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Minnesota endures temperature extremes characteristic of its continental climate; with cold winters and hot summers. The record high and low span is 174 degrees Fahrenheit (96C°) (from −60 °F (−51 °C) at Tower on February 2, 1996 to 114 °F (46 °C) at Moorhead on July 6, 1936).[26] Meteorological events include rain, snow, blizzards, thunderstorms, hail, derechos, tornadoes, and high-velocity straight-line winds. The growing season varies from 90 days per year in the Iron Range to 160 days in southeast Minnesota near the Mississippi River, and mean average temperatures range from 37 °F (2 °C) to 49 °F (9 °C).[27] Average summer dew points range from about 58 °F (14.4 °C) in the south to about 48 °F (8.9 °C) in the north.[27][28] Depending on location, average annual precipitation ranges from 19 in (48.3 cm) to 35 in (88.9 cm), and droughts occur every 10 to 50 years.[27]

Anyways.

for most people the 212+ would be fine, if your thinking you will need the liquid cooling kit, then thats fine as well, but if you go that route, you might as well, set it up with a dual fan configuration, increase the airflow through the radiator, and drop temps further.

I'd also consider using a better Thermal Paste than what is on the Liquid coolers base to begin with. Its already a good paste on there, but there are better ones on the market to improve efficiency.

[wannabgamer]

Righto yea well I might just by the 212+ and see how it goes if I have to buy a liquid cooling kit then so be it but yea our average temps are about the same and I'd say humidity sounds similar gets well into the 90's usually when a storm is coming or just after but anyway I'll give it a go. Trying to get a case with around 4 fans 2front 1rear and 1top which I have found so all sweet.

I am still gunna wait to hear about the GTX660 but atm as it stands my build is about $1150 so I am pretty happy gunna try bargain at a couple places so might get it down by at least $100 plus may have scored an old monitor from mate

[ShyguyXPC]

from the links in another thread that SoloCamo posted, looks like the GTX 650 will be a good card as well, no idea on its Memory Bus Bit rate, but the number of cores will be the same as the GTX 560 Ti, with much higher stock clock Rates, so its safe to assume the 650 will be close to 560 Ti/7850 performance range, for what is expected to be sub $150 (USD) range as well.

if the new card is packing a 256-bit bus, it should easily be as good if not better, with even lower power consumption and heat output. if its packing 128 or 192-bit, the latter should be close, but 128-bit would be probably closer to a stock GTX 560, with lesser cores, or Radeon HD 7770/6850 range.

Its hard to say for sure.


As to the 660 Ti, looks like leaked specs show it to be nothing more than a GTX 670 with a lower Memory Bus Bit rate, but same number of Cores, Clock speeds, and slightly less power consumption.

Could end up being like the GTX 465 was to the 470, same specs, just slightly lesser spec'd version.

Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com

Except in that case, it was less cores and less memory bus, but since the 465's were forcefully detuned 470's, many of them could easily be modified into full fledge 470's via bios hacks.

Wonder if the same will be with the 660 vs 670?

Geforce GTX 660 Ti Specifications and Launch Date Rumored

Report: Nvidia Preps GK107-Based GTX 650 Card

[wannabgamer]

Hey just wondering about the 660 Ti and whether or not it has been released it appears that it has but not exactly sure and in terms of price etc is it worth it instead of the 7850. I've had to post pone my build until after Christmas Uni has made me a bit poorer than I anticipated so by then hopefully the 7850 may have dropped in price as a counter towards the 660 Ti.
I've also been using this website as a comparison for graphics cards would you say it's fairly accurate: GeForce GTX 660 Ti vs Radeon HD 7850 – Performance Comparison Benchmarks @ Hardware Compare

[ShyguyXPC]

7850 already dropped in price, can pick them up for $200 or less, some 1GB models are $175-180 and 2GB close to $200.

AMD's Radeon HD 8000 series specs have already been leaked, so who knows, by that time those could be out.

And if the leaked specs can be believed, its a significant performance boost with a slight power drop over the 7000's.

The Geforce GTX 660 is a good deal right now, but the 7850's and their current pricing are still a better deal, if you can afford $230, the 660 is the better deal IMO, but for that price, you can almost get a highly Factory OC'd 7850 or for even a stock clocked 7870 for not much more over the 660's price, that would compete nicely.

If Nvidia drops the 660 to $200 range, it'd be a better deal.

the 660 Ti at $300 range is the best deal though, AMD also dropped the 7950 down to this range as well.

[Networker4321]

I see you have Ebay Australia links, so assuming your in Aus? if so, newegg, tigerdirect and many of the others we post in this forum, doesn't ship to Aus.


though some of our Aussie members might have some store/online retailers to suggest shopping from.

Shy,

I realize this post is from July but,

One of the elderly men in church brought his graphics card to church, decribed the sysptoms to be and i am betting, like him, the card had bit the dust. There was a small discolored spot on the back too.

But the card was an AES and all I could find on the web was a graphics card made in New Zealand. Either way, I pulled out an nVidia GeForce card I figured was roughly equivalent BUT, on the pin outs, the cut out slot was reversed from my card. Any idea what I was looking at? It sure couldn't have been PCI compliant but it looked like it, except for the 180 out cut out in the slot row.

Was it you and who else that I said I might have a couple of cards you guys could have for nothing?

Thanks,

[ShyguyXPC]

I was one of them, not sure who else.



As to the card, its hard to say with out actually seeing the cards slot, but as far as I know, there is PCI, and several server centric PCI card designs, like 64-bit PCI and such.

It Could of been a PCI-X slot?

Otherwise AGP or AGP Pro, since AGP is a PCI slot by nature, just a dedicated Bus of its own, and AGP is the same dimensions as PCI, just that its offset a bit further back than a PCI slot.

There are various "Keyed" AGP Slots as well to ensure you don't use the wrong type in the wrong slot (as AGP got older the Voltages for the slots went down, so if you used an AGP 8x 0.8V card in an older 1.5V slot it could easily fry the card).