The Future of CPUs

**The Real Bingo** · May 29th, 2004, 11:07 PM

Seeing as how AMD just recently came out with a few new 64-bit processors, I was just wondering what the future holds. Clearly the prices will drop on these, but I'm wondering what and when another next-generation CPU will come out.

I have been pondering an upgrade, but in tech terms, it's gonna come about 3 years from now [7 months in real time].

Just wondering what you all have heard about the development of future processors.

Thanks.

**Shabow** · May 29th, 2004, 11:18 PM

Well, Intel has been forming a launch of its new line of Pentium 5's in 2005 and they are going to start marketing Socket T chips. These Socket T chips will have the pins on the mobo not on the cpu.

**byunews** · May 29th, 2004, 11:43 PM

Wow.. far-out, pins in the motherboards. Next thing we know, in the future, computers will play you.

**XxCowOfChaosxX** · May 29th, 2004, 11:55 PM

*cough*the matrix*cough*

**custompccases** · May 29th, 2004, 11:56 PM

They really suck though. You can totally screw them up simply by installing the cpu 1 time. Even the ones they demoed were all bent up. You can see the heck mobo manufacturers will go through with all the returns so I am sure either a miracle fix is in order or they will can the whole idea.

Intel is of course going 64bit as well. However due to the recent cpu cancellations they are focusing their attention to mobile chips to power the desktops. Their mobile chips are extremely similar to amd as to how they operate. More work per cycle but lower clock speeds instead of less work per cycle and higher clock speeds on the p4's. The heat was simply getting out of hand for intel so a switch was in order (they originally said it would scale to 10ghz).

After that AMD and Intel are moving into dual core processors designs. Mmmm dual cores!

**camaro** · May 30th, 2004, 01:19 AM

That's funny. Intel is going to have lower MHz then AMD. I can see them now. "MHz is not a mark of performance, we have this here 1GHz P5 aka P5 2500+.

**custompccases** · May 30th, 2004, 01:29 AM

Especially after intel tried to discredit the use of a "numbering system". They tried to make it sound like it was misleading. To top it off their future numbering schemes will be something along the lines of: 7xx. Just 3 digits (just like the opterons, course the opterons are a little easier since they have a 754 pin counterpart that have a real rating number so you can figure out how they are really supposed to perform).

**The Terk** · May 30th, 2004, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by byunews

Wow.. far-out, pins in the motherboards. Next thing we know, in the future, computers will play you.

either that or computers will build us

A way they could go around this is have the pins inside the mobo and once the CPU is in place you can press down the clamp to bring the pins in, sort of the way current CPUs get locked in place

**ArcticFox** · May 30th, 2004, 01:54 AM

Good idea, Terk. I'm looking forward to tbe BTX design with the relocated processor. The prong on my CPU cooler needed to be bent when I got my new case/power supply, I think that says something about the age of the designs we use now and the rush to re-innovate.

**The Terk** · May 30th, 2004, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by ArcticFox

Good idea, Terk. I'm looking forward to tbe BTX design with the relocated processor. The prong on my CPU cooler needed to be bent when I got my new case/power supply, I think that says something about the age of the designs we use now and the rush to re-innovate.

true, sure the old designs provided ample cooling for old school aptivas and such (my old amd 333mhz included) but with the increasing speeds, temperatures, and components, we have to change the standard to help technology increase even more. I mean, sure we use propellor(spelled rong) airplanes, but we go faster with JETS! Thats why being a computer enthusiast is so fun, it changes pretty often, and plenty of stuff to learn and catch up on

**HeadBand** · May 30th, 2004, 02:08 AM

They really suck though. You can totally screw them up simply by installing the cpu 1 time. Even the ones they demoed were all bent up. You can see the heck mobo manufacturers will go through with all the returns so I am sure either a miracle fix is in order or they will can the whole idea.

accually they took 3 months to redesign it and i think the problems with the retention clip are gone

i think its safe to say that due to compitition we will probobally see 64 bit prescotts since the tejas was canned and we know that the grantsdale chipset will support it and so will the prescott core as it will be the nocona form of the chip for xeon servers

after that the 3rd generation pentium M core merom will get its desktop counterpart conroe which will probobally be cool and fast allowing dual cores to be implemented, amd will probobally also find a way by 2006 to get 2 cores without all the heat

**Whitehawk** · May 30th, 2004, 02:20 AM

so whats is the difference betwen having pins on the mobo and pins on the cpu

**ArcticFox** · May 30th, 2004, 03:01 AM

As in a physical difference or what's the advantage?

The advantage would be that when you have cpu's laying around on your desk the pins on the bottom of them wouldn't get bent when you throw everything off your desk after getting owned in CS.

The physical difference would be that instead of placing the CPU and the pins into a socket, the bottom of the CPU would essentially be the socket itself. So when you looked at the socket on a mobo, you'd see an array of gold pins sticking out instead of an array of holes.

But this is where Terk's idea has a flaw - in order to make this happen, you'd have to increase the height of the CPU by alot so the pins could slide into the holes. That would force a change in CPU coolers and socket designes.

**custompccases** · May 30th, 2004, 03:12 AM

Supposedly it is cheaper for Intel, but not for the mobo makers.

Aslo I forgot to clear it up earlier but they aren’t pins, they are more like those metal flaps inside case doors around the perimeter (like a cheiftec/antec case but smaller of course).... if that makes any sense at all haha. There are raised pads on the processor that those compressible clips touch.

Technically you wouldn’t have to change the coolers ArticFox, you would simply have to raise the pieces of plastic that a clip would clip onto (or raise the pieces that the p4 retention arms clip to) to compensate for the height. It’s a new socket anyways so...

**The Terk** · May 30th, 2004, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by ArcticFox

But this is where Terk's idea has a flaw - in order to make this happen, you'd have to increase the height of the CPU by alot so the pins could slide into the holes. That would force a change in CPU coolers and socket designes.

you could always make the pins go in sideways

by going in sideways you can have more pin inside the socket to get more current/power/etc

**ArcticFox** · June 2nd, 2004, 09:53 PM

Good point, or like tiny tentacles that groped themselves into the CPU.

**Gilthanaz** · June 2nd, 2004, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by ArcticFox

Good point, or like tiny tentacles that groped themselves into the CPU.

They could call it the arnold board

I've read that Intel/AMD have to kind of hold back their development of more advanced processors because even if they've created the technology, it costs a lot and would not sell in the main market. Its too bad we don't have anyone on the inside to really see whats going on.