Athlon 2800

**Some0ne606** · July 4th, 2005, 07:50 AM

Im just about to buy this AMD Athlon XP 2800 for a cost of £62:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=46392

and I just wanted to check with you experts that there's nothing obviously wrong with this, any sort of "catch" I should look out for? or is it not the good, great value for money chip i think it is?

many thanks

**gerald_weigel** · July 9th, 2005, 03:45 AM

everything seems cool.

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Some0ne606

Im just about to buy this AMD Athlon XP 2800 for a cost of £62:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=46392

and I just wanted to check with you experts that there's nothing obviously wrong with this, any sort of "catch" I should look out for? or is it not the good, great value for money chip i think it is?

many thanks

wats its fsb?athlon 2800??? 3off it.

they say its better than p42.4ghz,but it only has 1.8ghzz..

**JacobM5727** · July 9th, 2005, 06:14 AM

because of the architecture (cant spell) of it, it is about equal to a 2.8ghz, but is actally slower

ive got my 1700+xp running on 333mhz bus so its at 1.84 ghz

**SpaceSquad** · July 9th, 2005, 04:56 PM

It's true, that 2800 will beat a p4 2.4 with no prob. The FSB on that 2800 is 333Mhz I do believe.

Clock speed shouldn't be a factor in processor selection...it only matters really with video editing. I would take an AMD over any Intel because they take greater care in development of processors...Intel just grabs the dumb customers who think more GHz is always better. My athlon 64 3200+ (2.0Ghz) will pwn a p4 3.2GHz in gaming.

**SpaceSquad** · July 9th, 2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Some0ne606

Im just about to buy this AMD Athlon XP 2800 for a cost of £62:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=46392

and I just wanted to check with you experts that there's nothing obviously wrong with this, any sort of "catch" I should look out for? or is it not the good, great value for money chip i think it is?

many thanks

well, that price isn't THAT good.

What are you doing with the system? Gaming? Just office work? And what is your budget?

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 09:51 PM

ive just read it ...AMD 2800+ socket 754 is 1600mhzz FSB...double as intel p4...

**#43 fan** · July 9th, 2005, 09:55 PM

Hyper Transport is 1600 MHz, but the RAM standard is (FSB) is 333 MHz.

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Reather

Hyper Transport is 1600 MHz, but the RAM standard is (FSB) is 333 MHz.

wat does that mean?? dont understand that hyper sransport..wats the conection of FSB to ram??

i got FSB 533 and i got ram PC400... i going to get more pc and im going for AMD athlon 2800+

i dont like intel anymore

**SpaceSquad** · July 9th, 2005, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by kenji101

ive just read it ...AMD 2800+ socket 754 is 1600mhzz FSB...double as intel p4...

That's a sempron cpu...they are not as good as a 2.8GHz p4. They roughly compare (and beat) with the celeron 2.8GHz.

The athlon XP was marketed as a competitor with the intel pentium 4 line. They also had the duron line which competed with the celerons. The durons and celerons were value processors. Now its athlon 64 vs pentium 4 for higher-end cpus. And then sempron (basicly teh same as the athlon XPs) vs celeron. The AMD chips reign supreme for the most part.

The intel chips have a higher clock speed and intel hopes that this will be enough to make consumers think that their processors are better than the AMDs...

AMD made up their rating system to offset this. This started back in the days of teh athlon XP where they gave the chips a rating that corresponded with the intel competitor.

ex: athlon XP 1800+ vs pentium 4 1.8GHz. The athlon has a much lower clock speed, yet both chips have a similar performance.

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceSquad

That's a sempron cpu...they are not as good as a 2.8GHz p4. They roughly compare (and beat) with the celeron 2.8GHz.

The athlon XP was marketed as a competitor with the intel pentium 4 line. They also had the duron line which competed with the celerons. The durons and celerons were value processors. Now its athlon 64 vs pentium 4 for higher-end cpus. And then sempron (basicly teh same as the athlon XPs) vs celeron. The AMD chips reign supreme for the most part.

The intel chips have a higher clock speed and intel hopes that this will be enough to make consumers think that their processors are better than the AMDs...

AMD made up their rating system to offset this. This started back in the days of teh athlon XP where they gave the chips a rating that corresponded with the intel competitor.

ex: athlon XP 1800+ vs pentium 4 1.8GHz. The athlon has a much lower clock speed, yet both chips have a similar performance.

im talking btw athlon 2800+ is in line with celerons..

it has same board as 754 socket semphon only it has higher cache... but they say it beats p4...and u say its in line with celerons...

**SpaceSquad** · July 9th, 2005, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by kenji101

im talking btw athlon 2800+ is in line with celerons..

it has same board as 754 socket semphon only it has higher cache... but they say it beats p4...and u say its in line with celerons...

Athlon XP line was meant to counter the p4s.

But now the athlon 64s have taken over.

The semprons aren't as good as the Athlon XPs (for the most part). They are pretty much the same chip with lower cache.

And no, a sempron 3000+ will NOT beat a p4 530 (3.0GHz)...

The newer s754 semprons are better than the socket A's....but tehy are still not as good as the intel counterparts. They do kill the celerons though.

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceSquad

Athlon XP line was meant to counter the p4s.

But now the athlon 64s have taken over.

The semprons aren't as good as the Athlon XPs (for the most part). They are pretty much the same chip with lower cache.

And no, a sempron 3000+ will NOT beat a p4 530 (3.0GHz)...

The newer s754 semprons are better than the socket A's....but tehy are still not as good as the intel counterparts. They do kill the celerons though.

wat did u mean wen u say hyper transport, and ram 333??

**SpaceSquad** · July 9th, 2005, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by kenji101

wat did u mean wen u say hyper transport, and ram 333??

no....

the HTT on a socket A Athlon XP is set at 166MHz. Then the mobo doubles that to 333MHz FSB. The newer 2800+ semprons (s754) have an HTT of 200MHz...but still don't beat a p4 2.8GHz.

edit/ I never mentioned RAM nor hyper transport..

**kenji101** · July 9th, 2005, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceSquad

no....

the HTT on a socket A Athlon XP is set at 166MHz. Then the mobo doubles that to 333MHz FSB. The newer 2800+ semprons (s754) have an HTT of 200MHz...but still don't beat a p4 2.8GHz.

edit/ I never mentioned RAM nor hyper transport..

ohh its Reather who said it sori...wat do he mean?? ohh how come it become HTT is for ram,, or FSB??i thoght its 200HTT x 4 = 800FsB? thread wats the equivalent of AMP to intel?? ..dont really know how to determine FSB

**SpaceSquad** · July 10th, 2005, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by kenji101

ohh its Reather who said it sori...ohh how come it become HTT is for ram,, or FSB??i thoght its 200HTT x 4 = 800FsB?

HTT is AMD's version of FSB. HTT is for the newer chips (s754, s939). The older ones (socket A) use FSB. Its kinda confusing...but whatever.

And I don't think the s754 semprons are quad-pumped...only dual. So 200x2=400MHz FSB. The athlon 64s are quad-pumped.

**simbob** · July 10th, 2005, 12:38 AM

i have an athlon 2700+ XP throughbread, speed is 2.17ghz im happy with it, OC'S easy. got mine from ebuyer, so im guessing will b about a 2.25ish clock speed, and should go faster still!! IMO get it, ebuyers decent, go for it, id recomened ebuyer to any one intrigued

**kenji101** · July 10th, 2005, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceSquad

HTT is AMD's version of FSB. HTT is for the newer chips (s754, s939). The older ones (socket A) use FSB. Its kinda confusing...but whatever.

And I don't think the s754 semprons are quad-pumped...only dual. So 200x2=400MHz FSB. The athlon 64s are quad-pumped.

im talking bout athlons... any ways tnxxx... ive decided to get athlon dont like intel anymore...

**rabidaardvark** · July 10th, 2005, 01:35 AM

A 754 2800+ Sempron gets about same arithmetic score as a 2.8 P4 it kills a 2.7 celly and loses to a 2800+ Barton.

In multimedia the 2.8 P4 and 2800+ Barton both beat the Sempron by about 10% with the Barton winning overall and once again the celly getting beat rather badly.

This is from running Sandra on my 2800+ Sempron and 2.7 Celly. The Barton and P4 scores were provided by Sandra so there's probably a +/- there on them.

If any of that helps.

Though the overclocking capacity of 754 Semprons make them more attractive than most of the XP's you cna get nearly any of them to around 2.5 ghz then you see some nice improvement. Not to mention price.

**kenji101** · July 10th, 2005, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by rabidaardvark

A 754 2800+ Sempron gets about same arithmetic score as a 2.8 P4 it kills a 2.7 celly and loses to a 2800+ Barton.

In multimedia the 2.8 P4 and 2800+ Barton both beat the Sempron by about 10% with the Barton winning overall and once again the celly getting beat rather badly.

This is from running Sandra on my 2800+ Sempron and 2.7 Celly. The Barton and P4 scores were provided by Sandra so there's probably a +/- there on them.

If any of that helps.

Though the overclocking capacity of 754 Semprons make them more attractive than most of the XP's you cna get nearly any of them to around 2.5 ghz then you see some nice improvement. Not to mention price.

dont really understand that thing with barton ....wats that?? is that the dual core thing??

i thoght sempron dont match with 2.8??