Thread: FX-53 to x2 4200...
November 1st, 2007, 02:01 AM #21
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November 1st, 2007, 02:25 AM #22
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As far as difference, it depends. Some applications show no difference, others show quite a bit. HL2 EP2 for example benifits from the added cache, IIRC it makes up for about 200MHz worth of improvement. Meaning a 512k part will have to clock 200MHz higher to achieve the same performance as a 1MB chip."Opinions not based on knowledge are ugly things"
November 1st, 2007, 07:56 AM #23
I should be able to safely hit 2.4ghz then with the "FSB" @ 217mhz, memory at 434mhz, and agp/pci-e @ 72/36
I don't really want nor need to go higher than 2.4ghz.
November 1st, 2007, 08:07 AM #24
November 1st, 2007, 12:29 PM #25
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Yes, EP2 is multi-threaded"Opinions not based on knowledge are ugly things"
November 1st, 2007, 05:30 PM #26
I'm an FX-55 user also with a 939 board and I don't know how much fps gain would I get in multi-threaded games if I had switched also to an X2 4200+ OEM that Newegg has.
Isn't even worth the money to switch? Will I see a significant increase for games?
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November 1st, 2007, 06:17 PM #27
If anything, it should help load times, and maybe even give you some more FPS. It really depends on the rest of the system.
Here's a chart to take a look at...
November 1st, 2007, 06:57 PM #28
November 1st, 2007, 09:29 PM #29
I believe the best you can get for the 939 board are the Opterons which are still available, and should be better than the X2 4200+ due to the higher clocks and bigger cache:
November 1st, 2007, 09:32 PM #30
November 1st, 2007, 09:55 PM #31
November 1st, 2007, 10:14 PM #32
An fx-53 is not a cool running chip like a 3200 venice, so that's why I figured it would be good enough for stock speeds. I will also be using AS5 on it as well.
And I will also most likely throw on a higher rpm 80mm fan to be on the safe.
With this x1950pro installed, the case is FAR from quiet due to no thermal probe, and no fan control. 100% fan all the time Atleast it keeps the beast cool considering it's using a completely copper HS/f
Oh and btw, the x1950pro is a beast, but not a night and day difference between the two. However, Crysis is now smooth at all medium settings vs the low I needed for it to be smooth on the x800pro.
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November 2nd, 2007, 04:53 PM #33
In the specs, it lists the maximum speed processor it supports as a 3700+.
The aluminum heatsink offers affordable heat dissipation for AMD Athlon 64 CPUs up to 3700+ and Sempron 3500+ or faster.
I'd been out of the game a bit on third-party cooling solutions... I just bought one of these yesterday after looking through the specs of practically every HSF on Newegg:
Mainly I got it because
a) It should offer headroom for overclocking.
b) It's pretty light (I don't want something I have to worry about when moving).
c) You don't have to pull the mainboard to install it.
d) Attaches to all 3 cleats.
Alternately, I was looking at this:
a) It's cheaper.
b) It's still got a 92mm fan on it.
c) Unfortunately, it only hooks to one of the socket cleats.
I'm idling at 30C with the stock HSF from a A64 3200+ on my 4200+ (23C case temp). The clock throttling lowers it to 1ghz at low/no loads. But if I start up two instances of glxgears, my temps hit
30C (time 0)
40C in 5 seconds
50C in 30 seconds
60C in 1 min, 45 seconds
70 C in ~5 minutes
At 70C my thermal throttling goes off (soft beep), so it doesn't go higher than that. I was surprised at the "peakiness" of the dual-core over the single core I had before, running slightly overclocked at 2 ghz (maxed out about 53C with this same cooler, about 4X as long to hit 40C).
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November 2nd, 2007, 06:44 PM #34
Well my friend just got his CPU+HSF in today. He loves it. He's gotta work out some issues in gentoo it sounds like, but winders loaded up fine, and updated and he was good to go..
He said it cut some load times in half compared to his 3500+..
November 2nd, 2007, 07:44 PM #35
well I ordered mine on Wednesday night and it came in today... I'm gonna benchmark my system as is.... and then with the 4200 X2 and see the difference and maybe post back in the 3dMark threads
Gotta love newegg and their fast shipping..... ohh and I hope this processor is pretty good for Adobe Premiere because I've had movie maker's withdrawal the past couple yearsMobile: Thinkpad T61 | WinXP Pro | C2D T8300 CPU | 3GB DDR2 | 320GB Hybrid SSD HDD | AGN & WWAN
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November 2nd, 2007, 07:51 PM #36
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I've been able to overclock a Brisbane based 3600+ to just under 2.6GHz (stock 1.9) on the stock cooler. That said, this chip has a lot more head room in it but I cannot go higher due to thermal problems. Brisbane's are also this far the coolest running cores AMD has. That TT will be fine for stock speeds, and it will likely be ok for overclocking as long as you stay at default voltage.
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November 3rd, 2007, 07:31 PM #37
Sam, as much as I value your opinion, I'm going to try and give the 80mm a go with some AS5 and a faster fan on it.
I hardly believe it will not do the job when this aluminum 70mm HS/F can cool this FX-53. The FX-53 is not a A64 3200 running @ 2.0ghz, so I reckon that the cooler that came with the FX is also at least better as well.
The FX-53 is a "Clawhammer" 130nm running at 2.4ghz w/ 1mb cache and also running 1.5v. It came out in 2004 and is easily one of the hottest single core A64's to come out.
Now, I've ordered a slightly better cooler to cool down the X2 4200. The 4200 is a "Manchester" 90nm running at 2.2ghz, w/ 512kb cache and running 1.30-1.35v. It is the second coolest running X2 for the s939 platform.
Dual core doesn't always mean it will run hotter. (of course it will if you are comparing exact cpu's single core vs dual core) I know this is a bad example, but IIRC the 2.6ghz lga 755 pentium D ran cooler than the 2.8ghz p4 prescott by a good margin.
Worst comes to worse and it does run hot? I'll return it and pick up something better. But I should be ok.
Also, I was running a coolermaster HS/F on my prescott 2.8ghz that was designed for 3.0ghz+ Northwoods. Now we all know how hot prescott's can run in comparison and the cooler did a fine job at keeping temps normal.
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November 6th, 2007, 12:59 PM #38
To bring this back to life, I'm pretty sure everyone got their new x2 chip. What do you guys have it OC too?
My friend is at 2.58Ghz, 1.35Vcore. He's ram is limiting him from going any higher.
So what are you guys getting?
November 6th, 2007, 01:12 PM #39
I have not overclocked my cpu as of yet mainly due to slightly higher than average temps. No where near dangerous levels though. Also, gigabyte easy tune pro is reporting my manchester as running at 1.410v which is not cool considering they run @ 1.35. However, BIOS is reporting 1.37v. Now considering easy tune is a gigabyte program that is AFAIK taken from the BIOS, it strikes me odd.
Also, if anyone is interested I did a cpu review of it for some new games.
November 6th, 2007, 01:19 PM #40
I'm waiting on my new cooler to overclock.
I tried jumping the FSB from 200 to 233 (2.2 ghz to 2.6 ghz). It booted fine, but crashed under load... my guess is the heating issues got it. I'll try again with the new cooler tonight.
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