New info on the Phenom II X4

[Fizur2002]

well it is to be expected, but you remember the bomb that was the ATI 2900XT?

[RamonGTP]

Yeah, I remember it, whats that got to do with anything?

[Fizur2002]

making a reference that a new thing doesnt always move forward as expected. The new phenoms are going to be cheaper than the Q9550 with the same performance or better and with overclocking, it will be as good as the new i7 if not faster (depending on your overclock).

[RamonGTP]

Yeah, but there is a middle ground between dissappointment (2900XT and original Phenom) and Excitement (Original Athlon64). The Phenom II was expected to be better than Phenom and it is, so it's not a dissappointment, it's still not nearly good enough to compete with Intel at the high end, so it isn't exciting... It's what the original Phenom should have been, which would have been exciting back then. Not so much now.

[RicheemxX]

I think Ramon's point here is AMD is comparing their top offering, and from what I'm seeing the Pii 940/945 are going to be the top chips released anytime soon, to a chip from Intel that is already a year old.

Yeah they might be a big leap ahead of the current AMD chips but as Ramon said that is to be expected. If the details we are seeing are right then these new chips are what and were AMD should have been last year, not in the 1Q of '09.

[Fizur2002]

But price to performance, i will still get the AMD as it will destroy my Q6600. This is all still ES on these procs so its not going to be 100% accurate and will have to wait and see when the retail product hits the reviewers desks and they throw them through the gauntlets.

[RicheemxX]

Some interesting reading and specs from OCworkbench AMD Phenom II X4 Processor launch date and Processor Information

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But price to performance, i will still get the AMD as it will destroy my Q6600.

As I've said several times that's a lot of speculation since we don't even know for sure what the prices are but hey UK sites have them listed phenom II x4 940 - Google Product Search and those price tags would be $334 for the 940. If the benchs above are right then at stock its about on par with an OC'd Q6600 @3ghz which is $150 less

Just a note OC, mistakenly says a Q6600 at 3.6ghz but thats not right since this Q6600 at 3 flat is the same score ORB - Compare

[Fizur2002]

If the date of release in the US is true in this article, then thats a very happy B-Day for me as mine is the 20th

Quad-Core Phenom II Comes in December - The chips are reported to launch few weeks before the date officially announced - Softpedia

[RicheemxX]

I believe they took that info from EEtime which AFAIK has since pulled the story. There was a posting on Zdnet about it too AMD rolls out 45nm desktop CPUs … maybe … or not | Hardware 2.0 | ZDNet.com

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bit of digging into this story seems to indicate that EE Times may have jumped the gun on this announcement. There’s no announcement from AMD, and people close to the action say the launch date will be Jan 8th … a month from now. Folks with their finger on the channel pulse say there are no Phenom II chips in the system. Some are dubious that Phenom II will release in 65nm and 45nm … the backward compatibility would be great because AMD would be able to get folks with older AM2 CPUs to upgrade, but again there’s no sign of that.
Also, the EE Time’s seems to have pulled the story …

[Horrorcosmic]

You pay for what you get, I still doubt this thing will be cheaper than the Core 2 quads, even if they are released cheaper Intel will most likely lower the price of there cpu's to compete with the Pii.

Saying that there "940" i'm guessing is the higher end of the chip runs faster than the Q9550, and that overclocking it will put its performance up to a stock clocked i7, lower model mind that not the extreme model, is like saying that a regular joe can compete in the olympics if he uses steroids. Its giving an advantage to the other, they don't say anything about its performance stock vs. stock i7 or OC vs. OC i7 because they didn't make a processor to compete with it, they made a cost effective processor that fits between Q9550 and the i7. Its nothing special, just decent for price over performance.

It should have been released sooner, when the Q9550 was top of the line, you can either pay a decent amount for a good processor or pay alittle more for a great processor, thats the bottom line basically.