Core i7 vs Core i5

[ShyguyXPC]

as long as it pushes current lower chips down in prices.

granted Socket 1366 is supposed to be the Enthusiast platform, nothing wrong with coming out with cheaper chips, or at least dropping prices on them.

drop the 920 to the price range of the 750, and the 950 to the price range of the 920 and I'd be fine with that.

granted the 1366 i7's have some advantages over the 1156 i5/i7's, but for most users, the pricing of the 1156 chips are going to take precedence over those minuscule advantages, triple channel and greater PCI Express bandwidth.

or at least, some sort of dumbed down i7 rebadged as an i5 on Socket 1366... or even something as breathtaking as a dual core 1366 chip. which would be a nice addition.

but the impression I get is Intel may end up abandoning 1366 with the exception of any EE edition chips and the like (ie Core i9), and Xeon's. with more of a focus of the i7's on 1156 instead over the next year.

otherwise, you'd think they'd be making more of an effort with some more new 1366 chips for that platform, be it price drops on current Quads, with new ones like the 960 coming out, or even as I mentioned making some Dual Core variants...

the odd thing is, they do have dual core socket 1366 Xeon's, which puzzles me as to why no i7's or the like for regular consumers?

Newegg.com - Intel Xeon E5502 Nehalem 1.86GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 80W Dual-Core Server Processor - Processors - Servers

but the other thing that has me concerned is Intel has been saying that Socket 1366 will be the Enthusiast platform as well as for Server Chips as well...

if thats so, and 1156 will be the mainstream consumer platform, then why so many Xeon Based 1156 chips on debut?

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware,CPUs / Processors,Processors - Servers,LGA 1156

this is why I get the impression of Intel eventually phasing out 1366 for all but a few Niche applications, like high end servers, and Extreme Edition chips.

factor in some of 1366's advantages like greater PCI Express bandwidth for multiple GPU's, but how many server applications need that? with the exception of massive Storage needs on the PCI Express bus, that'd be just about the only advantage of staying on 1366 with Xeons, otherwise from a price stand point, 1156 Xeon's are going to be much more affordable.

for what one person saves on multiple Xeons on 1156, they can easily just reallocate those savings to another node or server and make up the lack of extra bandwidth there.


these concerns of eventual abandonment or at least not focusing as much on the older platform, is kind of why i'm contemplating an i5 quad system next spring.

and who's to say Intel won't release a 6 core 1156 chip in the next 6-12 months either?

[Horrorcosmic]

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Originally Posted by ShyguyXPC

as long as it pushes current lower chips down in prices.

granted Socket 1366 is supposed to be the Enthusiast platform, nothing wrong with coming out with cheaper chips, or at least dropping prices on them.

drop the 920 to the price range of the 750, and the 950 to the price range of the 920 and I'd be fine with that.

granted the 1366 i7's have some advantages over the 1156 i5/i7's, but for most users, the pricing of the 1156 chips are going to take precedence over those minuscule advantages, triple channel and greater PCI Express bandwidth.

or at least, some sort of dumbed down i7 rebadged as an i5 on Socket 1366... or even something as breathtaking as a dual core 1366 chip. which would be a nice addition.

but the impression I get is Intel may end up abandoning 1366 with the exception of any EE edition chips and the like (ie Core i9), and Xeon's. with more of a focus of the i7's on 1156 instead over the next year.

otherwise, you'd think they'd be making more of an effort with some more new 1366 chips for that platform, be it price drops on current Quads, with new ones like the 960 coming out, or even as I mentioned making some Dual Core variants...

the odd thing is, they do have dual core socket 1366 Xeon's, which puzzles me as to why no i7's or the like for regular consumers?

Newegg.com - Intel Xeon E5502 Nehalem 1.86GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 80W Dual-Core Server Processor - Processors - Servers

but the other thing that has me concerned is Intel has been saying that Socket 1366 will be the Enthusiast platform as well as for Server Chips as well...

if thats so, and 1156 will be the mainstream consumer platform, then why so many Xeon Based 1156 chips on debut?

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware,CPUs / Processors,Processors - Servers,LGA 1156

this is why I get the impression of Intel eventually phasing out 1366 for all but a few Niche applications, like high end servers, and Extreme Edition chips.

factor in some of 1366's advantages like greater PCI Express bandwidth for multiple GPU's, but how many server applications need that? with the exception of massive Storage needs on the PCI Express bus, that'd be just about the only advantage of staying on 1366 with Xeons, otherwise from a price stand point, 1156 Xeon's are going to be much more affordable.

for what one person saves on multiple Xeons on 1156, they can easily just reallocate those savings to another node or server and make up the lack of extra bandwidth there.


these concerns of eventual abandonment or at least not focusing as much on the older platform, is kind of why i'm contemplating an i5 quad system next spring.

and who's to say Intel won't release a 6 core 1156 chip in the next 6-12 months either?

In my opinion it would be in the best interest to keep the 1366 going for intel.

Intels a company, all companies are greedy so they'll keep 1156 and 1366 out just so they can get as much as they can for there money, not to mention theres alot of people, PC manufactures, and other companies that have put alot of time and effort into the 1366 and tri-channel to just have it go obsolete in a year.

Only reason for making xeon on 1156 would be for lower end servers, small business or home server.

The thing that would keep 1366 alive would definitly be the Extreme Editions, memory bandwidth, and of course multi GPU, the 1156 can only support 1 PCI-E at 16x or split x8 x8, so for top gaming the 1366 would be the way, not to mention the new Video cards are coming out, Multi-GPU setups are becoming very popular and i don't see the 1156 being so far in the gaming niche when the new cards come out, especially if they make quad or even Hex setups more frequent, only 1366 would be able to run that, and i'm almost certain the i9 will come out on 1366 exclusive.

i5 is exactly what i thought it would be, just didn't think it would be as potent at the i7-9xx versions. Core-i5 is just the mainstream, its ment to be seen in Dells, HP, and budget computers, the i3 will probably be there mobile CPU or the new super cheap end Dell, HP computers.

I do think the i7-9xx will phase out since the i7-8xx are on 1156 BUT most likely i9 will take its place and occupy the 1366.

Thats probably why there are xeons for 1156 they'll probably phase over the xeons from 1366 to make room for there new xeons. You can bet if theyre coming out with a 6-core i9 they'll come out with a Xeon equivalent.

[pullmyfoot]

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Originally Posted by EXreaction

That's how it is with technology.

The reason I do not buy high end stuff anymore when it is new. Buy the value stuff, when it is a generation or two old and half or a third of the original price (yet still within about 30% of the stuff that is brand new).

+1

[ShyguyXPC]

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Originally Posted by Horrorcosmic

In my opinion it would be in the best interest to keep the 1366 going for intel.

Intels a company, all companies are greedy so they'll keep 1156 and 1366 out just so they can get as much as they can for there money, not to mention theres alot of people, PC manufactures, and other companies that have put alot of time and effort into the 1366 and tri-channel to just have it go obsolete in a year.

Only reason for making xeon on 1156 would be for lower end servers, small business or home server.

The thing that would keep 1366 alive would definitly be the Extreme Editions, memory bandwidth, and of course multi GPU, the 1156 can only support 1 PCI-E at 16x or split x8 x8, so for top gaming the 1366 would be the way, not to mention the new Video cards are coming out, Multi-GPU setups are becoming very popular and i don't see the 1156 being so far in the gaming niche when the new cards come out, especially if they make quad or even Hex setups more frequent, only 1366 would be able to run that, and i'm almost certain the i9 will come out on 1366 exclusive.

i5 is exactly what i thought it would be, just didn't think it would be as potent at the i7-9xx versions. Core-i5 is just the mainstream, its ment to be seen in Dells, HP, and budget computers, the i3 will probably be there mobile CPU or the new super cheap end Dell, HP computers.

I do think the i7-9xx will phase out since the i7-8xx are on 1156 BUT most likely i9 will take its place and occupy the 1366.

Thats probably why there are xeons for 1156 they'll probably phase over the xeons from 1366 to make room for there new xeons. You can bet if theyre coming out with a 6-core i9 they'll come out with a Xeon equivalent.

Oh, I intend on keeping the i7 at least...

it comes in handy with 3D rendering no doubt.

just might get migrated to the 2nd PC instead, though depends how much I have to spend in spring, i9, or an 1156 8xx series i7 for the gaming rig, I haven't ran dual cards since my 7800GT's and couldn't even get those to work right, had troubles getting the 2 Radeon 4870's to play nice with win7, so gave up on that, after seeing the GTX 285, I'm sort of in love with single card solutions now.

waiting to see what Nvidia GT300 brings.

right now I'm eyeing up some mini ITX Intel Atom Dual core parts though. ION and Non ION boards (one has a full PCIe x16 slot on it... giving me some "bad" ideas LOL )

[cksboy15]

I've been looking into mini ITX for a while too and I have some pretty fun ideas for it.

Anyway this is a few days old but I found something on the i3

Intel confirms Core i3 as ‘entry-level’ Nehalem chip

It seems from the title that i3 is gonna be entry level (didn't read the article I'm on break and its almost over) so it'll probably be seen in laptops and lower end PC's.

[thephilosophizer]

Ok, so on this topic I am trying to figure something out.
The i5/P55 has a lower pci-e bandwidth than the i7. And some of what I've seen seems to suggest that sli/crossfire will be sort of useless (or at least not worthwhile) with the i5 in comparison to the i7. Is this true, or will the i5 actually be able to make use of multiple gpu's?

[KarmaKiller]

I'll let TOMS explain this one.
In Theory: How Does Lynnfield's On-Die PCI Express Affect Gaming? : Introduction - Review Tom's Hardware
Game benchmarks and all.

[ShyguyXPC]

The PCI Express controller chip is now on the CPU, so should speed some things up. though what I'm wondering is because the bandwidth is lower on 1156 than 1366...

with the PCIe chip on the CPU, if it'd be possible for board manufacturers to include a 2nd controller chip on the motherboard, to make up for the lack of bandwidth, for say top end niche extreme performance boards or something?

I know they did something like that with past generation boards where there were PCIe 2.0 and 1.0 slots on the board... so wondering if something like that will appear on the horizon in the next year for 1156?

[EXreaction]

Why would you mix PCI-E 1.0 and 2.0 on a board?

[thephilosophizer]

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Originally Posted by KarmaKiller

I'll let TOMS explain this one.
In Theory: How Does Lynnfield's On-Die PCI Express Affect Gaming? : Introduction - Review Tom's Hardware
Game benchmarks and all.

Yeah, that article is part of what got me started in wondering this in the first place. It definitely does show that the i7 can make better use of multi-gpu than any other chip, and looking at it again I see more clearly that the i5 does better with multi-gpus than either the core 2's or the phenoms. What the article doesn't show that I would be more interested in seeing is the difference between 1 and 2 gpus on separate cards, as opposed to 2 and 4 (though maybe the results would be similar?).

I am thinking of switching out my motherboard soon, and the biggest thing I want to focus on is longevity, I really want to get a good 2-3 years of higher-end performance out of it.
I am seeing now that I can pull a 6gb (3x2gb) x58/i7 setup on newegg together for $550, which is definitely down from earlier, and really not that far from the ~$400 point for an i5 build (cpu/mobo/ram).
On a separate note, anyone have any experience with asrock? They've got some boards at nice prices with solid reviews.