-HELP "OVERHEATING" AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+

[TNRea]

I've been having an overheating problem for 2 months already and I'm out of solutions...

CPU : AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ ~2.2Ghz
RAM : 4GB
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT
OS : Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit

Temp without internet browsing(Idle on Desktop without any programs open/Start up)


Temp with internet browsing


Temp with internet browsing and flash player(YouTube)


Temp with Minecraft


Temp on start up after overheating CPU


HWMonitor


I've ... :
1) Cleaned the computer case
2) Checked if the fans are malfunctioning(all fans are working).
3) Removed the dust from the fans.
4) Checked if the RAM's are okay.
5) Cleaned the heatsink and the CPU.
6) Removed and reapplied thermal paste(Arctic Silver 5) on the CPU.
7) Replaced the CPU on its socket and the heatsink on top of it.
8) Changed the Power Cable.

Please Reply

[stroyal]

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - ADA4200DAA5CD (ADA4200CDBOX)

I think I would question the temps, as that CPU should throttle at it,s max temp of 71c

Is the heat sink hot to touch, at 103c.
103c is 217f, which no human can touch without burning themselves, instantly.

The max you can touch, and only for a sew seconds, is 120f- 125f (edit 48.8c-51.6c)

If the CPU is indeed 103c, and I doubt it, the heat sink should be close to the same temp.

If it is not, then the heat sink isn't making full contact, or, you have too much thermal past.

Thermal past isn't magic past, it conducts heat slower than metal to metal contact.
It is only to make the parts contact, that don't touch.
This is close to a microscopic basis, so very little is needed, and too much insulates.

A warped heat sink, can also cause this, as nothing will touch.

[stroyal]

History is important here also.

Did it ever run cooler?

[TNRea]

Welcome to TechIMO!

Asking volunteers to reply ASAP, is going to get you no ware.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - ADA4200DAA5CD (ADA4200CDBOX)

I think I would question the temps, as that CPU should throttle at it,s max temp of 71c

Is the heat sink hot to touch, at 103c.
103c is 217f, which no human can touch without burning themselves, instantly.

The max you can touch, and only for a sew seconds, is 120f- 125f (edit 48.8c-51.6c)

If the CPU is indeed 103c, and I doubt it, the heat sink should be close to the same temp.

If it is not, then the heat sink isn't making full contact, or, you have too much thermal past.

Thermal past isn't magic past, it conducts heat slower than metal to metal contact.
It is only to make the parts contact, that don't touch.
This is close to a microscopic basis, so very little is needed, and too much insulates.

A warped heat sink, can also cause this, as nothing will touch

Well its not HOT to touch but you can feel a little bit of heat coming from of the heat sink when touching it.

Too much thermal paste? Maybe...

History is important here also.

Did it ever run cooler?

Not really... I'm going to try reapplying LESS thermal paste on the CPU. Let's see if that'll work. o.o

[stroyal]

So it is not really hot, or the thermal past is too thick, or it is not seated properly, or the heatsink is warped.

Temp sensors, on motherboards, are often broken, and wrong.

When you remove the heat sink, look at the paste pattern.
If it is not warped, and the proper amount is installed, it should be even, across the whole CPU, and should be so thin that it is see through.
If it is see through in some places, and thick in others, it is warped.

Also check the temp in the BIOS, as the programs you are using only read the BIOS, and do it wrong, with some computers.

Get it hot, and restart fast to check it, in the BIOS.

[TNRea]

Ok! Here's the result after reapplying LESS thermal paste to the CPU.


With Minecraft Open


HWMonitor with Minecraft Open

[stroyal]

What did the pattern look like.

I'm not positive, but I don't think, that CPU can run that hot, it would throttle, or shutdown.


If it was me, I'd remove it again, and check the pattern.

Arctic Silver, takes a few days to squeeze out the excess,, even when applied properly.

It should be opaque,

[TNRea]

So it is not really hot, or the thermal past is too thick, or it is not seated properly, or the heatsink is warped.

Temp sensors, on motherboards, are often broken, and wrong.

When you remove the heat sink, look at the paste pattern.
If it is not warped, and the proper amount is installed, it should be even, across the whole CPU, and should be so thin that it is see through.
If it is see through in some places, and thick in others, it is warped.

Also check the temp in the BIOS, as the programs you are using only read the BIOS, and do it wrong, with some computers.

Get it hot, and restart fast to check it, in the BIOS.

In the BIOS the CPU reached 91C(THAT'S HOT)

What did the pattern look like.

I'm not positive, but I don't think, that CPU can run that hot, it would throttle, or shutdown.

Well it shuts down when the CPU reaches at 112C. TT__TT

If it was me, I'd remove it again, and check the pattern.

Arctic Silver, takes a few days to squeeze out the excess,, even when applied properly.

It should be opaque,

Ok so i can't turn the computer on for at least... a day or two?

[stroyal]

Yep, that's too hot, but what did the pattern look like?

[TNRea]

Yep, that's too hot, but what did the pattern look like?

It looked a little something like this...
Mine's has a little bit more thermal paste then the one on google...

[stroyal]

No! it has to be hot to break it in.
You run it to break it in.

BUT that is not the problem, if you temps are that high.

Before breaking it in, it will only be a few degrees hotter, not the big amount you are experiencing.


Again the pattern is key here.

Assuming the CPU, is really that hot, and the heatsink is not hot, there is only 1 cause.

The heat, is not transferring to the heatsink.

The only possible causes are, paste too thick, the clamp is loose, or not clamped correctly, the sink is warped.

The patter, is what will tell you what is going on.

What did the pattern look like?

[stroyal]

Way to much you need no bigger than the size of a BB, and when you spread it, you remove most of it.

I really don't know why people use Arctic silver, if this was just plane old white past, you don't have the too much problem, as it all squeezes out, almost imediatly.

At best case, Artic silver, will only lower the temp, 1 or 2 degrees, vs white paste.
I have never heard more than 3 degrees.

It's for overclockers, that need every last degree.


It is hard to say for sure, because you have so much, BUT it appears to be warped also.( at least that one is)

Touching in the middle, and not even close on the sides.

Is this an all aluminum sink?

Edit
The whole pattern, should look like the top center.............

[stroyal]

I realize it is a Google pic now.

[TNRea]

that's what i said o_o"

[stroyal]

Here are the A S directions.

Arctic Silver, Inc. - Instructions

[TNRea]

Ok I followed every single step of the instruction you gave me but its still not working well... My computer is still overheating but the temperature is rising slower.

[stroyal]

Again, if the sink isn't hot, then the temps are wrong, or the couple between the sink, and the CPU is not correct.

Again what kind of heat sink is it, aluminum, aluminum/copper, copper and is it warped.

If when you remove it, the past pattern isn't completely even across the whole CPU, it is warped, and will never work.

You can repair it by lapping, or replace it.

Lapping is when you place a piece of sand paper on a perfectly flat surface, and sand down the sinks bottom, until flat.

Or using lapping compound, with a lapping block.

It is probably aluminum with a copper core.

If the pattern looks like the one you googled, it is warped.

[stroyal]

The only other thing is the clamping device, not giving enough down pressure.

Can you move the sink around, when it is clamped.
It should be able to slightly rotate, but still be tight.

[TNRea]

When it is clamped i can't rotate the sink and the heat sink is aluminum.

[TNRea]

I don't understand the "Warped" thing. Can I have an explanation for this one?