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woodbutcher · December 22nd, 2002, 01:59 PM

Hi All
Time to replace three different comps cpu's.
I've been looking at the revisions and need to verify a couple of things before ordering.

The "palamino" core is available at XP:1500, 1600, 1700, 1800, 2000 and 2100.

The "Tbred" Rev. A is only available as XP:2000 and 2200 (which from what I've read these are horrable overclockers)

The "Tbred" Rev. 2 is available at XP:1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2400, 2600 and 2700 (these are currently the best overclockers)

Is this accurate?
For the following mobo's

MSI K7 Master #6341 Ver 1.1 supports all palamino core XP's up to 2100 / not sure but no Tbred support (AMD-761 NB)

Epox 8kha+ supports any XP up to 2700 except Tbred Rev. A

ECS K7S5A supports any XP up to XP 2600 Not sure of support for any Tbreds.

Pricing is good up to the XP2000 and I'm leaning towards the palaminos because there are no Tbred rev. 2 XP2000?

Thanks in advance
WB

Xeroid · December 22nd, 2002, 02:13 PM

Take a look at this LINK . It's what I used the other day to clear up some confusion on my part.

Mike

squeech · December 22nd, 2002, 02:15 PM

The only thing I want to add is that if you are looking at a Palomino, now is the time because the chips are not too far from the "Official Discontinuation" from AMD. Soon they will all be T-Bred v.B chips

squeech

woodbutcher · December 22nd, 2002, 06:31 PM

Mike
Thanks again for your help.
I was under the impression that the Tbred's (rev A ) were only the 2000 and 2200 models.
The chart that you posted for me yesterday reaffirmed this as the 2000 and 2200 were not listed as being compatable with the 8KHA+ board.
I had no idea they made the tbred Rev A in any other speeds other than 2000 and 2200.
Once again, Thanks

squeech
I knew about this but the pricing has been dropping on XP's so I wanted to wait to see how low they would go.
Thanks for the reminder as the MSI board only supports the palamino (AMD 761 CS).

WB

Epyon9283 · December 22nd, 2002, 07:32 PM

ah son of a... Just realized my xp 2200 is a tbred A. BAH!

Bruneau · December 23rd, 2002, 04:12 PM

The only ver. B tbreds currently available are 2400+ and up.

If anyone knows different... let us know where.

BRUNO

Epyon9283 · December 23rd, 2002, 05:02 PM

On the link someone posted earlier, it says that the tbred B core is available in 2000+ and up.

Bruneau · December 23rd, 2002, 06:28 PM

If the Tbred B's (lower than 2400) are available in America...show me where.

samwichse · December 23rd, 2002, 06:43 PM

I just ordered an AMD Athlon 1700+ from newegg, and after ordering I realized it said that it was a .13 micron part, which means thoroughbred A. Thoroughbred B parts are another metal layer thick, meaning they're going to be slightly more expensive to produce, but also the higher performing parts. It wouldn't make much sense to take a 9 layer tbred B and sell it at 57$ (the price of a 1700+ on newegg, oem) just to fill out the line. I suspect they'd allow a serious shortage of 1700+ processors first.

The down side is that the A cores aren't nearly as good overclockers as the B cores (they'll run into a brick wall at about 2200+), the plus side is that the .13 micron A will still have much lower power dissipation and be more overclocker friendly then the .18 micron palominos.

Sam

Bruneau · December 23rd, 2002, 07:50 PM

"the .13 micron A will still have much lower power dissipation and be more overclocker friendly then the .18 micron palominos."

I'm not so sure that that is true. The Palomino has a much larger die size (surface face) for transfering heat to the heatsink. It's still disputed. The A ver. tbred will run at only 1.5v and does give room to hit higher core v. but they run alot hotter.