Intel vs AMD.....

jl123 · January 24th, 2003, 10:35 PM

No no no no.............its not a "which one is better" thread.

I want to know if the newer Pentium 4s (2.4Ghz+) run the same temps as the newer Tbred XPs ( 2400+ and up). Does one run cooler?

And strapping a 50CFM+ fan on a heatsink for these cpus isnt what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a really quiet application for these cpus running fans that are around 20dba. Lets say for now that they are both runnign stock coolers.....

Thanks

~Joel

Sweeper · January 25th, 2003, 05:12 AM

Intel for sure. My 2.4a P4 (fan speed) 2900RPM's overclocked to 2.6GHz runs around 37-39c/43-45c under load. But very quickly drops back down. Also, there have been a lot of threads regarding MB temps reading incorrectly. Do some research on a stable board with good recommendations on the temp. sensors. I picked up an MSI 845PE-Max vs2.0. Seems to perform and show the temp readings right on target. IMO.......

Love2Learn · January 25th, 2003, 05:34 AM

i would be very carefull in getting an amd and trying to mess around with the cooling... AMD doesnt "auto shut down" when it it overheated. If you were wanting something that you could put some quiet fans on i would get the intel. IMO good luck with it and tell us if you find anything out

-L2L

Bruneau · January 25th, 2003, 02:35 PM

Don't listen to these intel guys when it comes to choosing processors. They don't burn cpu's they just burn their money when they purchase one.

The shut down issue is a software thing. My Epox has a shutdown temp setting in the bios.

The heat issue is all about how hard a cpu works as "instructions per cycle." The Athlon has a higher IPU therefore runs hotter. Have you ever noticed that the guy on the job, that never breaks a sweat, doesn't do much?

My rule of thumb for comparison is this:

Take the actual mhz rating of an Athlon and add 600mhz's for an equivalent P4. That's a conservative estimated comparison.

BTW, they fry intel chips too.

nukes · January 25th, 2003, 04:06 PM

I have an AMD chip running a coolermaster X-Dream, and if you turn the fan speed right down, it never goes above 42c.
Of course, I only have a XP1700+, but you can get quiet fans, and it I can't see it letting a 2600+ above 46c as that's what was quoted on THG. It is nice and quiet with the low speed as well.

Love2Learn · January 25th, 2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruneau
Don't listen to these intel guys when it comes to choosing processors. They don't burn cpu's they just burn their money when they purchase one.

The shut down issue is a software thing. My Epox has a shutdown temp setting in the bios.

The heat issue is all about how hard a cpu works as "instructions per cycle." The Athlon has a higher IPU therefore runs hotter. Have you ever noticed that the guy on the job, that never breaks a sweat, doesn't do much?

My rule of thumb for comparison is this:

Take the actual mhz rating of an Athlon and add 600mhz's for an equivalent P4. That's a conservative estimated comparison.

BTW, they fry intel chips too.

wow that is one biased opinion... spoken like a true fan boy... IMO.

You can choose AMD all you want, quite frankly AMD gives you more bang for your buck... (in most occassions) and i dont want to turn this into "another AMD vs INTEL" thread per your request.

IMO, AMD's only problem that is a consistant problem is heat. They even admit it! Sooo my opinion was based off of the heat issues you are asking about. Good luck on your decision.

Bruneau - those guys that arent sweating quite as much at work? Those are the managers... and they work smarter, Not harder.

-L2L

edit after checking toms hardware

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...tvideo-02.html

that is pentium chipset (for a lil proof)

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...h_of_processor

that is AMD chipset (for a lil proof)

These are Direct quotes from Tom's Hardware...

AMD
"The removal of the heat sink proves to be fatal. In less than a second Athlon 1400 dies the heat death. It doesn't take long and the core reaches a temperature of extremely hefty 370 degrees Celsius / 698 degrees Fahrenheit. If the user of the Athlon system doesn't turn off his box immediately, the motherboard will be destroyed too. There's even the risk of a fire. "

P4
After the removal of the heat sink, Quake 3 Arena is slowing down significantly, but the system remains fully operational. The surface temperature of the Pentium 4 processor is a mere 29 degrees Celsius or 84 degrees Fahrenheit.

just go to toms hardware and look.

sugardaddy · January 25th, 2003, 05:41 PM

I have to agree, intel cpu are really equal cost to amd today so I see no reason to buy only AMD. infact I have so far 2 computer with 1.3gz duron and am getting 3 celeron FCPGA2, 2 1.1ghz and 1.2ghz in my next 3 computer upgrade... they're on the way lol. I will try to overclock them to say 1.4gh and 1.6gh. if they do, they certainly will smoke AMD. Also, AMD is going to lose in the long run, they don't have the financial to hold everything together like Intel, who's capital is almost infinite.

lost-and-found · January 25th, 2003, 06:05 PM

l2l - just for the record, the AMD's fried in THG's test because they used a mobo which didn't support the heat sensor found in the XP's.

Going back to the main topic: if you want a quiet PC, go for the Intel, as much a fun of AMD as I am, when I entered our Intel powered lab with 30 computers, I didn't even know any of them were on. However when I walk into my house, I can ususally already hear outside that my PC is on.

As to the performance, I don't think you're gonna see much difference between the Intel vs AMD @ those speeds.

custompccases · January 25th, 2003, 07:20 PM

So the real question was side by side with stock coolers does one run cooler. Answer: yes the Intel, end of story.

I use Amd chips with the stock coolers running at a low db the temps don’t get out of hand and are still in a safe operating range. So either way with a stock fan both chips are going to run just fine (Intel cooler though). There is a price difference between the two. With the money you save on a amd chip you could buy a really good heatsink. The AMD also gives you better scores compared to a Intel chip. As for taking the heatsink off... I never understood that, all the mobos i have ever gotten have always had a auto shut down. And why would the heatsink just come off? I don’t know what type of heatsinks you guys use but mine always have the retaining clips with the 6 slots on it to make sure they stay on. If you put a computer through so much punishment to get the heatsink to come off you probabally already cracked the chip. I mean you have to put allot of pressure with a screw driver strait down on the clip then pull it towards you to get the clip off the piece of plastic.

chris64 · January 25th, 2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by lost-and-found
l2l - just for the record, the AMD's fried in THG's test because they used a mobo which didn't support the heat sensor found in the XP's.

Going back to the main topic: if you want a quiet PC, go for the Intel, as much a fun of AMD as I am, when I entered our Intel powered lab with 30 computers, I didn't even know any of them were on. However when I walk into my house, I can ususally already hear outside that my PC is on. As to the performance, I don't think you're gonna see much difference between the Intel vs AMD @ those speeds.

They must be using one of those noiseless Zalman coolers.