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speedyvision · November 28th, 2003, 11:43 PM

i was just wondering how much better is the new amd 64 is compared to the athlons and pentium 4's, how much better are they really? also when do you guys think the price will go down to reasonable prices?

Dputiger · November 29th, 2003, 01:30 PM

Not to be a self-serving plugger, but....

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=434

That's everything i"ve had to say on the topic, and my views haven't changed much in two months.

speedyvision · November 30th, 2003, 03:50 PM

anyone else no anything about them?

Dputiger · November 30th, 2003, 04:32 PM

Well what else is it you want to know? That's a 10,000 word review

If you have specific questions I'll get them answered, but you'll have to say what it s you want know.

speedyvision · November 30th, 2003, 05:01 PM

how long do u think it will take for the prices to come down to something more reasonable?

speedyvision · November 30th, 2003, 05:26 PM

wow! i was able to understand everything up untill the point where u start doing the tests. so my question is out of the amd 64 the fx-51 the new p4 extreme (i think thats it) and the amd barton 3200 which one would be best for gaming, video editing, and all around performance???

originel · November 30th, 2003, 05:27 PM

My guess on pricing is that they will come down in about 5 to 6 months. This is a completely new chip...and is in many ways a new architecture even. So production costs are currently sky high. Also there are only 3 chips out right now (i think 3..could be 2 or 4). in any case there are very few chips out, so basically prices will come down when they release more chips. A bit of advice...don't buy an FX. This was a bad move (IMO) on AMD's part. It is simply a rebadged opteron, running on the 940 pin spec. It's a good chip actually...but they are planning on releasing a new 936 pin FX in the next year...so boards and support for this current version of the FX is going to be very shortlived.

Also prices should come down considerably when they get their .09 production process out. I read somewhere that their sweet spot (considering their production techniques and wafer sizes) is around 90-120nm for a die. The current 64's are around 180nm. so when the smaller production size comes out (along with procs with less cache) the die will shrink considerably getting them back in there sweet spot.

So my guess is around 6 months (maybe longer depending on how long it takes them to stablize the .09 process)

EDIT: if you're going to get one now...get the athlon64 3200+

EDIT: found the link: http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884

also take note of the linux tests they did. These are 64-bit apps running on a 64-bit OS. this is a sign of what this proc can do in the future.

Dputiger · November 30th, 2003, 06:34 PM

It all depends on what you have money for. AMD has a new Athlon 64 3000+ that might be what you're looking for price / performance wise. Basically you can generally figure on Athlon 64 3200+ being 10-15% faster than Barton generally and up to 25% faster in gaming. FX-51 is 10-15% faster than Athlon 64 3200+.

P4EE loses some, wins some, and ties some, but at over a grand for the chip and no widespread availability, its pretty much out of the picture.