Dubious Duron overclocking? (PC Chips)

[John Prophet]

I have a couple of PC Chips M810's with the on board Duron.

Similar to this one http://store.yahoo.com/bilsystem-sto...upcm815bu.html

But I think mine is a 1200+ or 1300+...I was just looking at another board..from newegg....just playing with stuff in my mind for cheap builds, these had "Duron Pro2000+" on them.

Well in trying to figure out the clock speed I ran across a thread saying they were overclocked..I figured it was just some knucklehead, lol..but then they had screenshots from cpuid showing the fsb@105 etc.

So I dl'ed wcpuid and low and behold the Duron 1200+ I am on is also overclocked, lol.



I dont really know what I think about that...I guess it would have been nice to know that ahead of time....for instance when you sell a comp, some of the more knowledgeable customers ask you if you overclock the cpu's (cuz shady places take a 1700, oc it and tell the people they have a 1900 or whatever)....but I would have hated to tell someone no and then have the reputation of a liar, lol.

Any opinions on it?

(please excuse the low qual of the screenshot, I havent figured out how to make the file size small enuff yet, without losing the quality, plus I only saved it in 16 colors I think)

[Dputiger]

PCChips has gotten in some **** with AMD over this, but they continue to screw with people's heads over it. You can tell this is a completely non-kosher system by the "+" rating.

AMD NEVER moved Duron to its model rating system. For a long time the Duron 1300 was the fastest available until more-recently the 1600 MHz chips showed up--but even these don't use model numbers.

When AMD introduced model numbers with the launch of Palomino, the explanation was that this was a speed measurement relative to the T-bird (yes we know it was REALLY the P4--but AMD claimed it was T-bird). Supposedly the new enhancements to the core gave it the rating above and beyond normal "MHz".

So the AthlonXP 1800+ was equiv. to a T-bird 1.8 GHz. This actually has held up pretty well for not being the truth.

Anyway--

For awhile some companies took Duron 1.1's and marked them as "Duron 1300+'s". This was definitely not kosher with AMD but at least the chips they were using had the same core enhancements as the Palomino (1.1 GHz was a Morgan-core Duron).

Your chip, however, is not a Morgan Duron--its a Spitfire Duron, which means there is NO justification whatsoever for its "1200+" rating.

(Your WCPUID confirms this, when it states that SSE is not supported).

Honestly, you've got a lawsuit if you could ever find someone to sue. You were sold a Duron "1200+" with absolutely no justification for that rating. Obviously you're unlikely to sue over such a cheap system (which is why they do it).

Oh, one other thing: The 105 MHz FSB is completely common. Almost every motherboard manufacturer raises their FSB's a few points to try to win benchmarks. I've seen them cranked as high as 10% over stock.

Oh, and AMD considers selling overclocked systems illegal, and will chase companies that do so. But this isn't a case of that--there are many motherboards out there where the vendors themselves have told the boards to run 4-8 MHz above stock. Even if you set the board for "200" MHz FSB, say, its really running at 208.

Edited: You slipped one in there, D
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