A National ID Card?

[Theophylact]

It would make us less safe, according to Bruce Schneier:

It doesn't really matter how well an ID card works when used by the hundreds of millions of honest people that would carry it. What matters is how the system might fail when used by someone intent on subverting that system: how it fails naturally, how it can be made to fail, and how failures might be exploited.

The first problem is the card itself. No matter how unforgeable we make it, it will be forged. And even worse, people will get legitimate cards in fraudulent names.

Two of the 9/11 terrorists had valid Virginia driver's licenses in fake names. And even if we could guarantee that everyone who issued national ID cards couldn't be bribed, initial cardholder identity would be determined by other identity documents ... all of which would be easier to forge.

[snip]

What good would it have been to know the names of Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, or the DC snipers before they were arrested? Palestinian suicide bombers generally have no history of terrorism. The goal is here is to know someone's intentions, and their identity has very little to do with that.

[John Prophet]

Hello Mr Antichrist...step right up..we have your total control system in place for you...now you can easily forbid buying and selling for those individuals who wont pledge their allegiance to you.

of course we all see this coming...and naturally there is one step that is safer (lol) than the ID card.....what else but the ID RFID chip that goes under the skin!!!!!!.....and naturally there are only two places on the human body that have the thin skin needed for a good scan....the hand and forehead....what a coincidence the very same places mentioned by the bible for the mark of the beast!!!

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anyone who is interested or concerned or curious..there are some nice real player presentations to listen to....lots of stuff concerning security, terrorism, RFID tracking, cashless society etc etc

go here http://www.endtime.com/radiohtm.asp

all of the back presentations are good, on various subjects...but specifically for this subject of RFID and National ID try these

6/19/03
Title: Tiny IDs can track almost anything with Katherine Albrecht

11/24/03
Title: Injectable Implant to be Used for Payment Methods

1/27/04
Title: Is the Smart Pass the Mark of the Beast?

2/10/04
Title: Mark of the Beast - How Close?

3/11/04
Title: Would a Global ID Solve the Terrorism Problem?

Also you could just do a google search for "Katherine Albrecht"..she is very active in following the use of RFID tracking etc etc.


It may interest you to know how many nations have already ordered their National ID cards...how many retail stores have already adopted or scheduled adoption for RFID for EVERY item in the store...uhh, ever heard of WalMart or CocaCola?

Also that there are tracking devices inside the money (the newer bills..put one in the microwave and see what happens, lol ) in your pocket.



Wake up and smell the coffee.




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There are other very interesting subjects..this one would surpise and open the eyes of a lot of people concerning money and MR GReenspan etc etc....

5/28/03
Title: Interview with Dr. Larry Bates: Monopoly Men: Inside the Federal Reserve



They are not really "preachy"...they are more technical explaining things etc..they do have 'commercials' in them which I usually wade thru cuz I listen to the program a lot

Also you can call in and ask question live each day..and it would be played back the following day etc.

JP

[MTAtech]

I think a national ID card does make sense. It can be merged with a standard drivers license and a smartcard for paying for small items.

[electric]

why not go the extra mile when your born have a bar code
implanted in the wrist and be scan whenever you buy,sell,
enter or leave the country,simple ,easy and than the country
of your birth knows where you are all the time


not

[RobRich]

I appreciate the article link, as it offers several good points that we must consider.

However, what is your own opinion Theo?

Robert Richmond

[butch81385]

as a side note jp, the money exploding thing is bs, try it yourself...

[elroy]

I'm with John Prophet. I'll pay cash and keep my business my own. Where I go and what I spend my money on is not the gov'ts business. They leave me so little to spend after taxes it hardly matters what I do with it but...

[Theophylact]

Originally posted by RobRich
I appreciate the article link, as it offers several good points that we must consider.

However, what is your own opinion Theo?

Robert Richmond

I'm pretty much with Schneier. I don't really think it's any more intrusive than what we have already; both my passport and my driver's license have stuff encoded on them that I can't read.

It's the false feeling of security that such a card would induce. First, the notion that you actually can rely on the identity of the cardholder, because such ID is obtained by means of other documents, some much more easily faked. Second, because even knowing the identity of someone tells you nothing about his intentions: what would knowing Timothy McVeigh's identity have done for us before Oklahoma City? (Both points made explicitly by Schneier.)

But in general, RobRich, why would my opinion about a quote matter? I know, this site's last name is "Opinion." But often enough, I either don't have an opinion about an issue and would like to know what others think about it, or I do have one and think the quote speaks for me as well as for the author. When I post something that I disagree with, in whole or in part, I usually say so.

[Siliconjunkie]

Originally posted by electric
why not go the extra mile when your born have a bar code
implanted in the wrist and be scan whenever you buy,sell,
enter or leave the country,simple ,easy and than the country
of your birth knows where you are all the time


not

You mean like credit cards, ATM cards, payroll information and such? We are already there. If they want to track someone using normal means of payment they can. Even using cash isn't 100%, since you have to get it from somewhere.

[StealthyV]

Originally posted by Theophylact
But in general, RobRich, why would my opinion about a quote matter? I know, this site's last name is "Opinion." But often enough, I either don't have an opinion about an issue and would like to know what others think about it, or I do have one and think the quote speaks for me as well as for the author. When I post something that I disagree with, in whole or in part, I usually say so.

I understand where you're coming from here. it seemed to me that moderator pressure to disclose your own opinion feels awkward. I think RobRich meant to implore you to add a more personal feel to the thread, otherwise post it in the News forum where a link and a short blurb about it would be more widely accepted, without the opinion.

respectfully,
~Branson