September 13th, 2008, 03:46 PM #1
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What do i need to get SSD drive in desktop?
I'm looking at these 32GB SSD drives and the prices are finally low enough for me to start buying some.
I see how they use SATA connector and are a 2.5" form factor.
So, these will not fit the typical 3.5" bays, correct?
If so, where can i get some enclosures that i can put these in and fit into possibly a 5.25" bay or a 3.5" bay?
Do these thing need cooling solutions... do they run hot?
September 13th, 2008, 05:05 PM #2
My guess is you can buy an adapter. 2.5" to 3.5" adapter.
Newegg should have one.
As to my knowledge, SSD's run cooler than regular drives. No mechanical parts to move.
September 13th, 2008, 05:35 PM #3
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Heat won't be an issue with SSDs.
To get them to fit in your desktop tower, you can pick up adapters like these;
NoiseMagic NoVibes 2.5 Silent Hard Drive Mounting System - FrozenCPU.com
September 13th, 2008, 06:46 PM #4
Solid state disks (SSDs) are great for a few reasons... quiet, no moving parts to fail, fast, and usually they run at lower temperatures than conventional mechanical hard drives.
They do have one major failing, though: they have a limited number of read/write cycles. They actually wear out over time; sections of the disk that are used frequently will become unreadable after perhaps 100,000 read/write cycles. This is a limitation of all SSD technologies, from CompactFlash cards for digital cameras to the SD or Micro SD card in your cell phone.
Most people won't need to worry about the read/write limitations of SSDs, but it's important you know they exist so you don't expect this drive to work for the rest of eternity without failure.
One last thing. If you are planning to use this as the boot drive in your computer system, I suggest you turn off the page file / swap file in Windows after installing it and purchase / install enough RAM so that your system never needs to swap data to the disk (2GB+ should do for most people). Having a swap file on a SSD will burn through those read/write cycles at an incredible rate; your drive may no longer function properly after even 3 or 4 years if your system has to swap extensively!Logic shall prevail.
September 13th, 2008, 07:03 PM #5
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hmm, did not know that.
I typically go through a ide\sata drive about every 2 yrs because i am constantly doing video editing. Writing large files to the drives.
Would these drives not be ideal for this purpose?
I was lookin for somethin i didnt have to keep replacing all the time and fear that it would fail on a level that i couldnt recover.
September 13th, 2008, 09:09 PM #6
I don't have much personal experience with SSD's aside from an "SSD" that I put together myself with a 2GB CompactFlash card and a CF-to-IDE connector from NewEgg. It hasn't had any problems, but I use it as a backup in case something catastrophic happens to my computer, not for "live" files.
I'm confused by a bit of your situation. You say you're going through drives every 2 years or so. Your drives shouldn't be failing in under about 3 to 5 years, regardless how much you use them. I have had the same WD Raptor 10,000 RPM drive (74GB size) since a few months after Western Digital first released them - about 5 or 6 years ago. My computer is almost always on, and I use the drive for a lot of music, sound, and video editing since it is so fast. It is also my boot drive, so it pulls double duty. Still, no failure. In fact, the drive has outlived three computer upgrades so far - Started in a Dell Dimension 4550 Pentium 4 2.66GHz computer, moved it to a homebuilt 3.0GHz Pentium 4 based system with Hyperthreading, and most recently is the boot drive for an Athlon X2 5600+ based homebuilt computer.
The point of that discussion is that a hard drive can and should last a long time. Mechanical drives should not wear out more quickly because they're used a lot; use isn't the killer with mechanical drives in most cases.
I suspect that something else is wrong with your system that it is killing drives. I used to have a "Deer Technology" (never heard of them) power supply in one of my computers. I would put a hard drive into it... it would run fine for about a year, sometimes 5 or 6 months, then the hard drive would die. This happened 4 or 5 times. I yanked the power supply and replaced it - no more dead drives.
Simple fact: poor power control and poor cooling kills more mechanical drives than anything else.
My advice: get yourself one of Western Digital's new, blazingly-fast Raptor drives, make sure your system has a good power supply in it (Antec, etc.) and that your system is on CLEAN power (invest $50 or $60 in a high quality APC, Belkin, or CyberPower UPS / AVR battery backup system with power conditioning). When you install the drive, put it in a bay where it has nothing immediately above or below it for better cooling, or install a drive bay fan in front of it to cool it down.
Treat your computer right by giving it the correct basics, and it will last you a long time. Ever since I learned these "tricks" - quality power supplies, always using an AVR/UPS system, and properly cooling my system and its drives, I have only had 1 hard drive fail in any of my systems (which have a total of more than 15 drives in them). And that's my "record" for more than 5 years - just 1 drive failure out of 15 (and it was on a RAID array).
My 2 cents.Logic shall prevail.
September 14th, 2008, 12:19 AM #7
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my drives always fail due to bad sectors.
They constantly write 24\7 and never shut off.
The only time they will ever shut off is if the power has been lost for a long period of time.
I don't have power issues, i know what you are referring to because a friend of mine has had a problem like that that took me almost 2 yrs to troubleshoot.
Now, the drives i have in there now, Seagate's, they have been running for almost 3 yrs fine now.
I just hate going through a failed drive because i've went through so many bad sectors on drives before it's not even funny.
These SSDs are very fast and i'm "assuming" can go through more read\write cycles than a mechanical drive can, yes?
September 14th, 2008, 01:06 AM #8
September 14th, 2008, 01:40 AM #9
If you're drives are being constantly reading/writing, I'm not too sure if the SSD would last all that much longer. It depends on what sectors are being written/reading.
As far as mechanical drives, Seagate's are renowned for their durability. That's possibly why they're lasting a tad bit longer.
November 8th, 2008, 01:05 AM #10
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I use SSD drives for back up purposes only, cause when I used on for the OS (yes I did have page file / swap file turned off in Windows, and I ran them 24/7 they only lasted me a little over a year, and back then I use a SILVERSTONE ST50EF-Plus rated at 500watts so I know I wasn't over powering them.
I suggest that you use hard drives, and get a better PSU.
November 25th, 2008, 10:08 AM #11
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I agree that limited number of read/write cycles is the major disadvantage. Still, who knows how soon you'll want to replace your desktop - in a year or two I guess? Then, your SSD won't wear out yet (imho). Take some time to study performance tests (e.g. I spotted some videos here: Samsung Ssd - Cheap SSD harddrive
Also, I read today at Cnet that "Micron and Samsung had begun mass-producing 256GB solid-state drives. The Micron RealSSD C200 will read data at 250MBps (megabytes per second) and write at 100MBps".
November 26th, 2008, 03:51 AM #12
from what ive understood and read about the SSD drives is that they can write 100GB per day every day for about 10 years before it goes out, they are using some different type of SSD than SD cards and the likes for better longevity.
December 1st, 2008, 06:26 PM #13
Thinking outa da box-er shorts:
I'm not sure the choice of a SSD HDD is indicated at all for a desktop, even for the purpose you describe.
You can simply backup and replace a much larger conventional HDD and even do a "preventive" replacement every 2 years or so for a lot less molah.
Also, there are 'AV' HDDs, which do NOT write over the same inner area over and over, but write from the outside in, to avoid "overuse" of the preferred regular disk method with video files.
I don't know of any study that showed them to last longer -- but there may one(s) out there.
Anyway, there are so-called AV HDDs on the market.
December 1st, 2008, 06:41 PM #14
bear in mind that when you see a "cheap" SSD that it is almost certainly a multi-layer (MLC) rather than single-layer (SLC) which perform at a considerably lower level than the more expensive single-layer drives.
Ah! What they don't tell you!
July 16th, 2010, 10:41 AM #15
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SSD's are fast to READ but not to WRITE. SSD's are ideal for booting your OS and installing software you use frequently onto it, but are not good for editing etc. where you need to write to the SSD.
I suggest the 10k RPM Raptors or RAID 7k drives for writing
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