Lag...don't know why!!

[D_isForPaul]

Hey guys. Just wondering about a couple of things. I'm no computer so apologies if there is a couple of noob questions.

This all started when i wasn't getting much FPS from minecraft (10-15) untill i turned down everything, and even then my max is only 30-40. I let that by anyways and i got Fallout new vegas. So far this seems to be running OK, but i've only played literally 30 seconds or so. The problem lied when i got Dead Rising 2 OTR. It's unplayable, completely laggy and i dont understand why.

I have a Sony Vaio VPCCB and my specs are -

Windows 7
Processor - Intel(R) Core (TM) i7-2640m
CPU - 2.8GHz
Ram - 8GB
System - 64bit

Now this is where i get confused. For my graphics card, in device manager, under display adapters, there are two sub sets -

AMD Radeon HD 6630m
And then -
Intel (R) HD Graphics family.

Do i have two graphics cards? I dont that "can you run it" thing for Dead Rising, and i failed because my graphics card (Intel HD one) can't handle the game. Would that be why i'm getting so much lag? Because it's running off of that graphics card and not the other? And if so, how to i use the other card?

And in saying all that, is the AMD Radeon i have, a good gaming graphics card? I'm finding it hard to find out if it is.

And in saying ALL THAT, are my specs even good enough to game, i'm pretty sure they are but im just asking.

Sorry for the stupid questions if they were, i just really don't understand why this is happening.

Thanks

[JEROY]

Is this a laptop or a desktop ?

[D_isForPaul]

Is this a laptop or a desktop ?

Laptop...

[JEROY]

Can you give us the specific Model of this laptop ?..
You can check it here :Sony eSupport - Electronics - Select Your Model

with a detailed explanation : How do i find my model number .

[D_isForPaul]

My actual model doesn't seem to be on that page, but isn't it also the product number on the bottom of the latptop? That reads VPCCB-4C5E ....

[JEROY]

Your Laptop is released after 2010 being an I7 Core , so , For Sony laptop computers released 2010 or later:

The model number is listed on a sticker on the bottom of the laptop. In this case, it is called Product name...

[JEROY]

I Found it on Vaio UK :
Sony : Support for VPCCB4C5E | VPCCB4C5E technical support

[KarmaKiller]

It's a sony notebook with a lower grade Sandy Bridge CPU (that's where the Intel graphic come from) and your motherboard has a built in AMD 6630m, which is a low end graphic card.
The reason you cannot run games well is because your graphics card simply can't handle them. Even though Minecraft doesn't look amazing, it is extremely taxing on a systems graphics. It's not optimized at all really. I have problems staying above 50FPS on a much more powerful system.
As far as Dead Rising 2, really the same story. You need to turn down setting to low, and then maybe you'll be able to run it. But honestly, your notebook is not made for gaming, and most games will perform poorly on it.

[JEROY]

Dead Rising 2 recommended requirements are :

Core 2 Duo E7300 2.66GHz
Phenom II X2 550
GD CPU hardware score: 5

GeForce GTS 250
Radeon HD 3870
GD GPU hardware score: 6

3 GB
GD RAM hardware score: 5
Win 7 32
DX 9
8.5 GB


As you can notice , the Game isn't supported for Intel Graphics , and there are no notification if it can run on a 64 Bit system ...
Since it's very slow on your Laptop , that suggest your Graphic card is Intel , Although the same laptop model number may come with an Ati Vga .

[JEROY]

Well , if there's a lesson to take , the combination Intel-Amd is a failure as was once the combination Nvidia-Sis ..But surely , the victims are always the buyers ...

[KarmaKiller]

It's nothing wrong with the Intel/AMD combo, in fact for what they are they are quite nice. It's simply you can't expect a notebook to play new games at high settings unless you spend a hefty chunk of change.
Same could be said for anything all Intel or AMD.

[JEROY]

Well yes , if we put also in consideration the affordable budgets ...

[D_isForPaul]

It's a sony notebook with a lower grade Sandy Bridge CPU (that's where the Intel graphic come from) and your motherboard has a built in AMD 6630m, which is a low end graphic card.
The reason you cannot run games well is because your graphics card simply can't handle them. Even though Minecraft doesn't look amazing, it is extremely taxing on a systems graphics. It's not optimized at all really. I have problems staying above 50FPS on a much more powerful system.
As far as Dead Rising 2, really the same story. You need to turn down setting to low, and then maybe you'll be able to run it. But honestly, your notebook is not made for gaming, and most games will perform poorly on it.

unless you spend a hefty chunk of change.

Not really sure what to take from your replies really. Looking around alot about the AMD card, and it doesn't seem to be a low end graphics card. Obviously there's better, but it doesn't seem to be bad. Anyways, i didn't have problems playing games, just Dead Rising 2. If it was everything i tried, then i'd obviously assume my laptop can't handle games. I'm not entirely sure on the full difference between a notebook and...well...not a notebook, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal.

The reason i'm saying all this anyways is because Dead Rising was not assigned to any performance type inside the graphics control, and once i set it to high performance, it was fine, mostly, 95%. Leaving most settings the way they were (Bar the blur feature, which i read alot of people saying turn that off anyways because its just buggy, but even with blur its playable, just that its better without) and i'm playing on medium settings. So really, every game i've tried actually preforms well on my laptop!

As for the minecraft side of things, i'm aware its a demanding game, which you really wouldn't expect, but my laptop can handle it. I'm even running it with a 128x128 HD texture pack, but even if i got to default it doesn't change drastically. However i have gotten it to go up a little higher now, it was always tolerable anyways, wouldn't even really notice, wasn't exactly "lagging", i just knew people had more FPS really.

I did actually spend a hefty chunk of change on it too, cost me €1000, and it is pretty powerful! I'd have been stupid to come on here asking this stuff if i was sitting here with a low budget range dell laptop!

As for graphics cards and notebooks, i'm assuming it's just as possible to upgrade it on my laptop, much like a "normal" laptop?! Just if i ever wanted to, nice to know!

Thanks for your reply anyways though, appreciate the response...from both of ye guys!

[JEROY]

Well D isForPaul , I wonder what will you do when 7000 zombies will attack you ...
Lot of games look soft at start then lag later on jam scenes , like Unreal 2 for a good example ...
Anyway , keep your drivers updated , defragment periodically and when you'll buy your future laptop , ask if it is equipped with the latest Nvidia .

And no , your laptop graphics cannot be updated so use it wisely and good luck .

[ShyguyXPC]

Not really sure what to take from your replies really. Looking around alot about the AMD card, and it doesn't seem to be a low end graphics card. Obviously there's better, but it doesn't seem to be bad. Anyways, i didn't have problems playing games, just Dead Rising 2. If it was everything i tried, then i'd obviously assume my laptop can't handle games. I'm not entirely sure on the full difference between a notebook and...well...not a notebook, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal.

The reason i'm saying all this anyways is because Dead Rising was not assigned to any performance type inside the graphics control, and once i set it to high performance, it was fine, mostly, 95%. Leaving most settings the way they were (Bar the blur feature, which i read alot of people saying turn that off anyways because its just buggy, but even with blur its playable, just that its better without) and i'm playing on medium settings. So really, every game i've tried actually preforms well on my laptop!

As for the minecraft side of things, i'm aware its a demanding game, which you really wouldn't expect, but my laptop can handle it. I'm even running it with a 128x128 HD texture pack, but even if i got to default it doesn't change drastically. However i have gotten it to go up a little higher now, it was always tolerable anyways, wouldn't even really notice, wasn't exactly "lagging", i just knew people had more FPS really.

I did actually spend a hefty chunk of change on it too, cost me €1000, and it is pretty powerful! I'd have been stupid to come on here asking this stuff if i was sitting here with a low budget range dell laptop!

As for graphics cards and notebooks, i'm assuming it's just as possible to upgrade it on my laptop, much like a "normal" laptop?! Just if i ever wanted to, nice to know!

Thanks for your reply anyways though, appreciate the response...from both of ye guys!

What KK is saying, is your graphic card in your laptop, which isn't really a card, is the equivalent of a $50-75 desktop Card, which is LOW end for gaming cards on desktops, given the price range.


as to upgrading the GPU in the laptop like a desktop, very few laptops allow this to be done, more than likely you won't be able to, with out swapping out the entire motherboard since most of it is all "together". For that, you would more than likely need to send it back to Sony and have them replace the board with one with a better graphic chip, assuming there is even anything higher available for the specific laptop series you have.


Considering its a Sony, your 1000 Euro's isn't all that high, Sony Laptops, just like Toshiba's and Fujitsu's with higher end hardware like you have, have always been over priced, if not Premium Priced.


Given the Current Exchange rates, 1000 Euro is about equivalent to $1260 US Dollars...

This is what $1200 USD can get you:

Newegg.com - MSI G Series GE70 0ND-033US Notebook Intel Core i7 3610QM(2.30GHz) 17.3" 8GB Memory DDR3 1600 750GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M

that graphics chip in that laptop is much more powerful than what you have now.

Based on this sites rankings, its a Lower end Class 1 (top class) graphics chip:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Your AMD 6630m is a bottom of the barrel Class 2 chip, so its not a low end by any means, at least in the Mobile GPU market, but overall, its still a lower end gaming GPU.


As you said: " I'm not entirely sure on the full difference between a notebook and...well...not a notebook, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal. "

this is what he's trying to tell you, that there is a fairly large difference between Mobile and Desktop graphics. Overall when you compare them together, for the full gaming market of the same game (both are Windows PC platforms, and run the same exact software), the Mobile GPU's are usually weaker than their Desktop Counterparts, the 6630m is comparable to a Sub $75 desktop card, which for most games is fine for running at lower to moderate settings, although it is entirely dependent on the actual games, but its still a low budget range graphics card/chip.


If its running fine for you now, then great.

[D_isForPaul]

Well D isForPaul , I wonder what will you do when 7000 zombies will attack you ...
Lot of games look soft at start then lag later on jam scenes , like Unreal 2 for a good example ...
Anyway , keep your drivers updated , defragment periodically and when you'll buy your future laptop , ask if it is equipped with the latest Nvidia .

And no , your laptop graphics cannot be updated so use it wisely and good luck .

What KK is saying, is your graphic card in your laptop, which isn't really a card, is the equivalent of a $50-75 desktop Card, which is LOW end for gaming cards on desktops, given the price range.


as to upgrading the GPU in the laptop like a desktop, very few laptops allow this to be done, more than likely you won't be able to, with out swapping out the entire motherboard since most of it is all "together". For that, you would more than likely need to send it back to Sony and have them replace the board with one with a better graphic chip, assuming there is even anything higher available for the specific laptop series you have.


Considering its a Sony, your 1000 Euro's isn't all that high, Sony Laptops, just like Toshiba's and Fujitsu's with higher end hardware like you have, have always been over priced, if not Premium Priced.


Given the Current Exchange rates, 1000 Euro is about equivalent to $1260 US Dollars...

This is what $1200 USD can get you:

Newegg.com - MSI G Series GE70 0ND-033US Notebook Intel Core i7 3610QM(2.30GHz) 17.3" 8GB Memory DDR3 1600 750GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M

that graphics chip in that laptop is much more powerful than what you have now.

Based on this sites rankings, its a Lower end Class 1 (top class) graphics chip:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Your AMD 6630m is a bottom of the barrel Class 2 chip, so its not a low end by any means, at least in the Mobile GPU market, but overall, its still a lower end gaming GPU.


As you said: " I'm not entirely sure on the full difference between a notebook and...well...not a notebook, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal. "

this is what he's trying to tell you, that there is a fairly large difference between Mobile and Desktop graphics. Overall when you compare them together, for the full gaming market of the same game (both are Windows PC platforms, and run the same exact software), the Mobile GPU's are usually weaker than their Desktop Counterparts, the 6630m is comparable to a Sub $75 desktop card, which for most games is fine for running at lower to moderate settings, although it is entirely dependent on the actual games, but its still a low budget range graphics card/chip.


If its running fine for you now, then great.

Ah right thanks guys. Shame it can't be updated, but i'm not massively into PC gaming, more console, but woulda been nice. If i do get more into it, ill consider that mother fucker of a job to change the card if needs be!