Wierd Video Problem

[Abstractworld]

Hello everyone, I have an error that I can't seem to figure out the solution.
The youtube video below shows the error, there is some wierd graphic delay whenever I drag browsers or folders.
Problem with Computer - YouTube - YouTube


Things i've tried so far to try to fix this problem.

*I have replaced my GPU that was overclocked with a brand new 6850
*I have reseated and reapplied Artic Silver for CPU
*I have placed the ram sticks in Slot 1 & Slot 3 instead of Slot 2 & Slot 4




Computer Specs:
CPU: AMD Fx-4100 @ 4.4 Ghz
CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212+
Mobo: ASRock 970 Extreme3
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP (Not Overclocked)
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 250gb 7200 SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
PSU: 500w Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus RS500-PCARD3-US ATX12v v2.3
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit



The three links below show things I have done to my computer.

Overclocking FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core - Overclockers Forums - Overclockers Forums - CPU Overclock
Power strip - Overclockers Forums - Overclockers Forums - Electric Fail
Radeon HD 6850 1gb - Overclockers Forums - Overclockers Forums - GPU Overclock

[paul9]

It looks like the mouse pointer trails you can enable to help you see the mouse pounter better on LCD screens.
I would try adjusting the visual settings to see if it clears up.
Go to Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Performance Information and Tools.
At the left of the window, you should see Adjust Visual Effects. Try a few of the options in there, especially the Show Shadows Under Windows option. The Enable Desktop Composition is another setting I would look at.

[RicheemxX]

Things i've tried so far to try to fix this problem.

*I have replaced my GPU that was overclocked with a brand new 6850
*I have reseated and reapplied Artic Silver for CPU
*I have placed the ram sticks in Slot 1 & Slot 3 instead of Slot 2 & Slot 4

For something like this that is some fairly odd troubleshooting there

You don't mention that you've updated your drivers or not? Generally that would be the first place to look for graphics issues!
It looks like you are doing a lot of OC'ing are your temps ok?
Is this a fresh Windows install or is this a build that this just randomly started happening on?
Do you experience any other issues? Problems gaming? Any other system lag anywhere?

Curious why you've posted this to several forums outside the one you appear to frequent?? Not a big deal just wondering why

BTW what you are experiencing is called system lag. This usually happens when your system isn't keeping up. It could be that you don't have the right drivers, something isn't working right, your system is overheating, or something is just sucking up the resources. Aside from the about you might want to double check the device manager to see if there is something is acting up.

[Abstractworld]

It looks like the mouse pointer trails you can enable to help you see the mouse pounter better on LCD screens.
I would try adjusting the visual settings to see if it clears up.
Go to Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Performance Information and Tools.
At the left of the window, you should see Adjust Visual Effects. Try a few of the options in there, especially the Show Shadows Under Windows option. The Enable Desktop Composition is another setting I would look at.

Okay I disabled "Show Shadows Under Windows" and the wierd graphic error doesn't appear anymore (Yay thanks)
when I disable "Enable Desktop Composition" it comes back.

So technically just disabling "Show Shadows Under Windows" is covering up the problem, not really solving so there's something wrong with the shadows for my desktop, I fear that will make my computer run slower when i'm playing high end graphic games and such

What do you think is the problem now that it looks like there's an error with my window shadows

For something like this that is some fairly odd troubleshooting there

You don't mention that you've updated your drivers or not? Generally that would be the first place to look for graphics issues!
It looks like you are doing a lot of OC'ing are your temps ok?
Is this a fresh Windows install or is this a build that this just randomly started happening on?
Do you experience any other issues? Problems gaming? Any other system lag anywhere?

Curious why you've posted this to several forums outside the one you appear to frequent?? Not a big deal just wondering why

BTW what you are experiencing is called system lag. This usually happens when your system isn't keeping up. It could be that you don't have the right drivers, something isn't working right, your system is overheating, or something is just sucking up the resources. Aside from the about you might want to double check the device manager to see if there is something is acting up.

My drivers before I reformated were all updated to the latest.
It may be just placebo but I ran some graphic stress tests and I feel like I see wierd tiny graphic errors that pop out of nowhere.
No other system lag other than the shadows that I can see so far.

This problem occured randomly on a perfectly working 1-2 month old computer with updated drivers, I reformated and the problem was the same.

Nothing is overheating, my computer stays at good temps if not, low.
I've checked device manager before reformating and after reformating and never was there any errors


Reason i posted this on several forums other than the one i fequent is because the one i fequent doesn't seem to have a section for computer repairs and I wanted more opinions from multiple people to get this solved faster since this is an error I have never encountered in all my time using computers

[Abstractworld]

Another input is this seems to be a problem related with Windows Shadow because if I disable "Show Shadows Under Windows" then this problem no longer happens.


Edit: disabling "Enable Desktop Composition" also makes the problem happen again,
Seems that if AERO is off, this problem happens

Edit #2: Seems "Show Shadows Under Windows" isn't the cause of the problem, It is confirmed that whenever AERO is on (even with shadows) the problem is gone, but if AERO is off the problem occurs

What do you guys make of this?

[RicheemxX]

Did this start before or after you started overclocking? Are you still running overclocked? If so dial your settings back and see if it goes away. Set everything back to factory and see where you are.

You said you did a format and fresh install - double check to make sure you installed all the last drivers for the GPU and for the motherboard.

Lastly what other changes did you make about the time this happened? The way I'm seeing this its hard to follow along. Did the problem start on the old 5570 and you updated to the 6850 or did it only start after the upgrade?

[Abstractworld]

Did this start before or after you started overclocking? Are you still running overclocked? If so dial your settings back and see if it goes away. Set everything back to factory and see where you are.

You said you did a format and fresh install - double check to make sure you installed all the last drivers for the GPU and for the motherboard.

Lastly what other changes did you make about the time this happened? The way I'm seeing this its hard to follow along. Did the problem start on the old 5570 and you updated to the 6850 or did it only start after the upgrade?

It started a couple months after overclocking my CPU but started I believe 1-2 weeks after I OC'd my GPU (Which is why I replaced my GPU for a brand new one not overclocked)

I'll try reverted my OC'd CPU back to factory setting and update

I reformated and yes I installed the latest ATI drivers and mobo drivers

There was really no changes I have made other than overclocking my GPU before this happened.

This problem has never occured until now. (not on the old 5750 etc.)


Edit: Reseted BIOS and nothing is overclocked anymore, problem still exists

[ShyguyXPC]

Unless your running your games in Windowed mode, and not fullscreen, Windows Shadows is not going to make an ounce of difference or performance hit on your games, the data being processed is two completely different things, Windows shadows and Shadow effects in games.


If Aero is on, and it disappears, just run Windows with Aero on, your video card won't take any kind of real hit in performance to run Aero. Hell a $30-40 low end budget chip, or even Intel Onboard GPU's can run Windows Aero Interface fine.


basically your systems hardware is high end enough to not make one iota of difference in performance with Aero Enabled, and Shadows Disabled in Aero, on the Peformance of your Games.

[Abstractworld]

Unless your running your games in Windowed mode, and not fullscreen, Windows Shadows is not going to make an ounce of difference or performance hit on your games, the data being processed is two completely different things, Windows shadows and Shadow effects in games.


If Aero is on, and it disappears, just run Windows with Aero on, your video card won't take any kind of real hit in performance to run Aero. Hell a $30-40 low end budget chip, or even Intel Onboard GPU's can run Windows Aero Interface fine.


basically your systems hardware is high end enough to not make one iota of difference in performance with Aero Enabled, and Shadows Disabled in Aero, on the Peformance of your Games.

Oh yeah I know Turning aero on won't slow down my computer but i'm afraid this problem will become a bigger problem in the future, there has to be a reason why it's doing this whenever aero is off because it's never happened before.

[ShyguyXPC]

possible its some sort of software update that may have been done recently that is causing it.

Could even be some glitch with the latest Video Drivers as well.

Have you tried reverting back one or two versions of the AMD Display Drivers, to see if that resolves the problem?



As long as your CPU and GPU aren't overheating, then I wouldn't really be too concerned about it becoming a bigger problem down the road.



There's an option in the visual performance settings list, that is probably already checked, about showing Windows Contents while dragging windows around... Uncheck that and apply it and see if you still get that glitch when moving windows around.

Could be some sort of Driver glitch issue with the display drivers, or some other program running in the background.



In meantime, you could look through this thread and try some of the multiple "Solutions" that others have tried, or see if anything applies to your current setup.

Windows trail when moving - Nvidia - Graphic-Displays

[Abstractworld]

possible its some sort of software update that may have been done recently that is causing it.

Could even be some glitch with the latest Video Drivers as well.

Have you tried reverting back one or two versions of the AMD Display Drivers, to see if that resolves the problem?



As long as your CPU and GPU aren't overheating, then I wouldn't really be too concerned about it becoming a bigger problem down the road.



There's an option in the visual performance settings list, that is probably already checked, about showing Windows Contents while dragging windows around... Uncheck that and apply it and see if you still get that glitch when moving windows around.

Could be some sort of Driver glitch issue with the display drivers, or some other program running in the background.



In meantime, you could look through this thread and try some of the multiple "Solutions" that others have tried, or see if anything applies to your current setup.

Windows trail when moving - Nvidia - Graphic-Displays

I have tried many ATI drivers and nothing solves it
I have DirectX 11

Are you sure it won't cause a bigger problem? When aero is turned off, my entire loading just becomes slow and everything pops up very slowly and glitchy

[RicheemxX]

By any chance do you still have the old graphics card or a different card that you can swap in and see if the problem persists??

[ShyguyXPC]

then just leave Aero on, if it does that, Aero takes up so little GPU resources, it won't make an ounce of difference on your lower mid range Radeon HD 6850.



if this is ONLY happening in Windows itself, in the interface, and there is nothing going on in the games, and other software you use, then I wouldn't worry too much about it. IMO anyways.


maybe try what Rich said, if you have your old card, install that and see if it still happens, maybe its some sort of Hardware issue with the newer card.

[paul9]

Do games run well on the system? I think you might possibly have a small glitch in your Direct X installation.
The only time I usually see anything resembling that issue on my own systems is when I run the built-in graphics systems, before I change over to an add-in graphics card.
Personally, I would strongly consider a fresh install of Windows. A bit extreme, maybe, but it would be quite high on my list of troubleshooting steps for this particular problem.

[Abstractworld]

Update.
I now found out it's not only video lag.
With AERO enabled, there is no shadow trail but whenever i'm browsing the net, my mouse and sound will stutter horribly. My CPU also spikes a lot as you can see from the pic, this is all from just checking my email to looking at youtube.

http://i.imgur.com/29v3b.png


So far I have replaced my GPU and Motherboard for a replacement.

[paul9]

I still think it is possibly software/operating system bugs causing this.

[bigBonehead]

When's the last time you cleaned out all temp files, also noticed 56 processes... that's alot running at once for just browsing the net.

[ShyguyXPC]

56 isn't that much, I have 61 running and only using Firefox right now on the forums, as I also have 10 tabs open as well (All TIMO tabs, New Posts, and each of the posts I plan on reading/replying to)

Then again, my i7 940 is a good chunk more powerful than the AMD Quads, so that might account for it, but I'm lucky if my CPU usage hits 30% on the graphs with FF, and Youtube and some other stuff running.

I think one of the 2 Threads on one of the cores hit 50% for a moment (Hyper Threading on the Quad core), but jumped back down to 30% or less soon after.


But still, 50-60 Processes isn't too much these days, and I have quite a few extra's disabled right now, like Drop Box, Spotify, Steam, and some others that start on boot up.


well, looks like it dropped down to 55 Processes a minute or two ago.

[beastgreeley]

how about sfc /scannow?